UK politics - Hamsterwheel

[Stan Woolley]

Ow! That stung Stan- play nice!

Glad to see that you can pass the 'sense of humour' test.

[Krystal n chips]

Originally Posted by charliegolf

Am I the only one who thinks Mrs May is scewring this up for the Tories? The woman is completely devoid of substance.

CG

No, she screwed it up when she had the arrogance to perform her first "U" turn....."No general election".

Apparently, as I said in my earlier post, I am, it seems, the only one on here to have watched the debate last night...the one with a notable absentee.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose

I wonder how many knee caps Col Bob put a bullet/drill through in his time or how many people he 'disappeared'.

I listened to his chat on "I was a kind of torturer' and attempting to equate his actions with those of the IRA butchers is quite daft.

Well he admitted to torturing people on behalf of HMG so who knows what he did and doubt he is going to tell if he did.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by engineer(retard)

A very long way of saying nothing Racedo. Corbyn denied he ever met the IRA, he lied.

Unless you can prove someone was in PIRA and he knew it at time of meeting them then he told the truth, same as any other politician who has met members of Sinn Fein.

As his meetings with members of Sinn Fein took place under a Tory Govt in the years from 1983-1997 then why was Tory Govt allowing known terrorists to move around London freely ?

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose

As somewhere in the region of 50% of those who go to Uni never earn the 21k per annum required to pay back any of their tuition fees this barking plan just means more a more kids are going to take the 3 years on the piss option to "study" Underwater Basketweaving.

A 3 year party to get a useless degree that enables you to earn burger flipper wages and us tax payers foot the bill, utter madness.

If you knew at 17 what you would be earning at 30 would you have still made the same choices ?

Telling a 17 year old that going to University and getting a degree will get them no decent job, no decent income and they have no hope of every doing anything with it would say more about you than them.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by G0ULI

It could be done, but the effort involved makes it unlikely that it would ever be used to track individual political affiliations.

Was done in NI to identify who were voting Sinn Fein in 1980's even though boxes were supposed to be under lock and key.

Reality is that it is easy to do with an OCR scanner and end up with 85% accuracy with circa 15% requiring some kind of manual interpretation of hand writing of the poll clerk.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by VP959

I'm not at all convinced that a large proportion of young people should go to university, either. I spent a lot of time interviewing for graduate recruits when I was working, and it was often a pretty soul-destroying experience. We would sift candidates for interview based largely on their paper qualifications, only to find that a large proportion of them were barely literate, let alone able to think coherently.

So who is going to do the selection.............. should it be done just on what Daddy can pay ?

[Mr Oleo Strut]

Originally Posted by sitigeltfel

Corbyns favourite heroes prefer the bomb and the bullet. He worships their ideals and way of doing things.

The history of Ireland is tragic enough without attempting to smear Corbyn with supporting the misery of it. Terrorism stinks, whoever perpetrates it, and in Ireland the good and the bad were not confined to one side or the other.

[charliegolf]

Originally Posted by racedo

Telling a 17 year old that going to University and getting a degree will get them no decent job, no decent income and they have no hope of every doing anything with it would say more about you than them.

That's a bit brutal, I grant you, but giving good advice to a 17 year-old wouldn't in my view, include advising, "Any degree will do lad, just go off and enjoy yourself." Or, "The degree is unimportant lad, it's the process you go to uni for."

I don't know where Seldom's 50% figure comes from, but I'd like to know what %-age of the 50% are flipping burgers with STEM degrees...

So who is going to do the selection

Fair point: the Civil Service uses a system where the front page with all identifying info is removed before the panel sees it. Something like that? On ability?

CG

[Dutystude]

K&C

You are not the only one on here to watch that freak show last night.

But you might be the only one on here who thinks that tripe was worthy of the label 'political debate.'

Which surprises me given that your are a Guardianista and quick to tell we illiterates that you take politics seriously.

Exactly how old is Tim Farron?

[engineer(retard)]

Originally Posted by racedo

Unless you can prove someone was in PIRA and he knew it at time of meeting them then he told the truth, same as any other politician who has met members of Sinn Fein.

I don't have to prove anything, I'm not taking him to court for murder. If he did not know for certain, he should not have met them.

As his meetings with members of Sinn Fein took place under a Tory Govt in the years from 1983-1997 then why was Tory Govt allowing known terrorists to move around London freely ?

The Tory government did not lie about meeting them, Corbyn did.

[engineer(retard)]

Originally Posted by Krystal n chips

No, she screwed it up when she had the arrogance to perform her first "U" turn....."No general election".

She needed the general election because the opposition parties decided to turn Brexit into a political football. Once Labour reserved their position to leave the decision to the end of the negotiation, an election became necessary.

Apparently, as I said in my earlier post, I am, it seems, the only one on here to have watched the debate last night...the one with a notable absentee.

I swa a tweet today from the Bath Student Union that described the evening as worse than a playground of squabbling 7 year olds. X factor politics shouldn't be taken seriously.

[charliegolf]

She needed the general election because the opposition parties decided to turn Brexit into a political football. Once Labour reserved their position to leave the decision to the end of the negotiation, an election became necessary.

Alternative view: she saw a too good to pass up opportunity to a) ditch Cameron's manifesto, especially the triple lock; b) to take electoral advantage of Labour's disintegration; and c) to mask the total absence of her Brexit plan.

No?

CG

[Exrigger]

X factor politics shouldn't be taken seriously.

Shouldn't be, but unfortunately very much the case these days.

I think that like the referendum vote, this election result is going to shock quite a few people.

[G-CPTN]

Those who vote for Corbyn deserve what they will get.
Unfortunately, those who do not vote for Corbyn will get the same.

[Exrigger]

Unfortunately, those who do not vote for Corbyn will get the same.

That is always the case, but according to another thread Corbyn and co will have to appease those that did not vote for him, just like the Conservatives have to, apparently.

[charliegolf]

just like the Conservatives have to, apparently.

With their huuuge new majority an' all? Oh wait...

CG

[Sallyann1234]

Originally Posted by G-CPTN

Those who vote for Corbyn deserve what they will get.
Unfortunately, those who do not vote for Corbyn will get the same.

Precisely like the referendum last June

[engineer(retard)]

Originally Posted by charliegolf

Alternative view: she saw a too good to pass up opportunity to a) ditch Cameron's manifesto, especially the triple lock; b) to take electoral advantage of Labour's disintegration; and c) to mask the total absence of her Brexit plan.

No?

CG

No

Cameron's manifesto was defunct after the referendum

Labour will disintegrate regardless of the election

If she has no plan, wait until Corbyn unveils his. Abbott to negotiate the financial settlement

No?

[Exrigger]

Precisely like the referendum last June

How could it be made any fairer, those that bother to vote on the whole make informed decisions on who/what to vote for and the decision of the majority who bothered to vote gives the government of the day a mandate to that majority that voted.

If the decisions the government for those majority voters are bum ones then all suffer alike, if the decisions made are good ones we all join together in joyous rapture.