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Old 31st May 2017, 06:50
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Old 31st May 2017, 07:02
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For the many who have a garden

Tax on homes 'to treble under Labour plans for Land Value Tax'

sneaking that one in under the radar.
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Old 31st May 2017, 07:42
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Wasn't this what that avowed left winger Harold MacMillan called "selling the family silver" when the state assets sell off were used to fund tax cuts.
Unfortunately, it was only plated. It was mostly dross underneath.
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Old 31st May 2017, 07:45
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Ian Paisley was happy to sit down with them despite his viewpoints............ Willie Whitelaw was happy to do so in the 1970's.........

I find politicians lecturing others whom they can not sit and meet funny.................. after all did UK PM's not meet Mandela, what about Pinochet ?
or what about KSA King who bombing civilians for fun in Yemen yet Uk Establishment ignores this because he spends money.
Did Paisley, Whitelaw, then various UK PMs deny meeting them afterwards?

Jeremy Corbyn insists 'I never met the IRA' in grilling by BBC's Andrew Neil | The Independent

If he was trying to facilitate the peace processs ( even though he had no mandate), why didn't he also attend Loyalist and Servicemens funerals?
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Old 31st May 2017, 08:40
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Oooh must rush out and vote Labour cos that'll increase my property tax by a factor of 6!!

Have they taken into account that this will add approximately £12k to the bills that renters in London will pay? I only use London as an example cos I know the figures.

Example: 6 people renting a house in NW London currently pay approx. £100/week plus bills. These bills include approx. £1,800/year Council Charge which adds approx. £6/week each to their weekly cost. The Garden Tax will be approx. £14,000/year for an £850k house meaning that each renter will pay approx. £45/week Garden Tax or an extra £39/week resulting in a weekly cost of £145 instead of £106/week which equates to a 36.8% increase.

Nice one Jeremy, that really helps the renters who are already hard pressed.....
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Old 31st May 2017, 09:10
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Who will vote and why - ComRes

......."What does all this mean for the current campaign? Very simply, if voters behave in the way they broadly did in 2015, then the Conservatives remain on track for a 100-plus majority. This seems, on present assumptions, the most likely outcome. Older people appear more motivated than younger people to vote, most of UKIPís 2015 vote is going to the Conservatives (and that Party is not even standing in around half of all constituencies), May beats Corbyn on most Ďbest forí measures, and Labourís core vote lacks motivation."........
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Old 31st May 2017, 09:17
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Sterling dips on new UK election poll - BBC News
https://apple.news/AcC22BpuRRKKoi7In6oaKYg

Orac 100 plus ?
This is talking about a hung parliament if accurate
Maybe traditional labour supporters who through brexit flirted with conservatives are returning to the fold ?
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Old 31st May 2017, 09:46
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Reading the small print from the poll, the margin of error gives something between a hung parliament, and a 120 seat majority.

That's what you call hedging your bet - you are right whatever happens.
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Old 31st May 2017, 10:02
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Only "a 120 seat majority"??!

It's probably that sort of pessimism that's made Sterling fall.



KnC, me HR???!! I think that my views on her selection criteria are probably spot on: there was no-one else to fill the post! Look at the rest of the shadow cabinet, it seems quite obvious that they got their positions simply because there was no-one else.
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Old 31st May 2017, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Look at the rest of the shadow cabinet, it seems quite obvious that they got their positions simply because there was no-one else.
It also shows that without any talent, it's still possible to sleep your way to the top
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Old 31st May 2017, 10:10
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The worst is a dead cert winner as voters don't bother to get out and vote I wouldn't be surprised at some manipulated polls to make sure that doesn't happen
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Who will vote and why - ComRes

......."What does all this mean for the current campaign? Very simply, if voters behave in the way they broadly did in 2015, then the Conservatives remain on track for a 100-plus majority. This seems, on present assumptions, the most likely outcome. Older people appear more motivated than younger people to vote, most of UKIP’s 2015 vote is going to the Conservatives (and that Party is not even standing in around half of all constituencies), May beats Corbyn on most ‘best for’ measures, and Labour’s core vote lacks motivation."........
The Telegraph, on its "Poll of Polls page", has some interesting info along that line. There's been surge in registration of young voters (akin in many ways to the post IndyRef in Scotland) . If they turn out, and receient registration might suggest they will, then "all bets are off". If UK pollsters are "weighting" their models to take into account historic voting patterns, then these new voters may not be being counted. The UK has 46 million registered voters (ONS 2015), so 1,000,000 is a little over 2%.

In the recent US Presidental election, this was one of the mistakes market research firms made; many used "likely voters" as their base, in order to be considered a likely voter you had to have voted previously, one of Trumps demographics was "dissaffected blue collar" rust belt folk who had never previously voted.

UK General Election: Five charts showing how Labour's support is increasing

One million more young voters

An astonishing 246,487 young people registered to vote last Monday, the cut-off for being eligible for next month's general election. This figure eclipses the equivalent of 137,400 on the last day for registrations in 2015 and means that 1.05 million 18-24 year olds have registered since Theresa May called for an election on April 18.

Younger voters tend to be much more likely to vote for Labour so this news will encourage Jeremy Corbyn.

However, younger voters are also far less likely to actually turn out and vote on election day with just 43 per cent of 18-24 year olds doing so in 2015 compared to an average of 66 per cent across all ages. Labour's chances of success on June 8 will, in part, be reliant on how many of these younger voters will turn up to the polling booth.
The effect of the "Dementia Tax" on the traditional older Tory voter could also become a factor.

The demograpics of the withering of the Tory support is also interesting;

As much as 40 per cent of the female population now intend to vote for Labour while 41 per cent say they will vote Conservative. It means that Theresa May's lead among women has dropped by 15 points from a fortnight ago.

Remain voters also seem to be moving away from the Conservatives but towards Labour rather than the Liberal Democrats.
From the outside looking in, it's all very interesting. But have to agree with Racedo;

Potentially second time in a number of years where a Tory leader has made a fundamental misjudgement.
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Old 31st May 2017, 13:59
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Oh, now there's a surprise...

Jeremy Corbyn to take part in seven-way TV debate - BBC News

"Otherwise engaged" presumably....after all, what possible reason could she have for not wishing to participate .....
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Old 31st May 2017, 16:14
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Abbot is in cold storage, doubt very much we will see her again between now and polling day.

We live in hope tho.
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Old 31st May 2017, 16:32
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh, now there's a surprise...

Jeremy Corbyn to take part in seven-way TV debate - BBC News

"Otherwise engaged" presumably....after all, what possible reason could she have for not wishing to participate .....
Another U turn
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Old 31st May 2017, 16:36
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter View Post

The effect of the "Dementia Tax" on the traditional older Tory voter could also become a factor.
Might well be offset by the effects of the Garden Tax on homeowners
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Old 31st May 2017, 16:53
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Old 31st May 2017, 18:04
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She probably thinks she doesn't need to if Corbyn or Abbott are attending.
Really ?..fascinating to learn that the meaning of the term "debate" has eluded you....and surely, if she is as good as she promotes herself as being, she's nowhere near and currently struggling, a debate would prove no obstacle to her aspirations.

As for those who feel that some Labour MP's will be kept in a box, here's a list of the current junta , sorry, Cabinet, and it's interesting to see the, lets call it a " lack of prominence" many have had thus far....

https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers
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Old 31st May 2017, 19:11
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She's actually quite wise, if spectacularly cowardly, to avoid getting into a debate.

She knows she's crap at debating and crap at thinking on her feet.

She's playing to her strength: incumbency.
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Old 31st May 2017, 20:13
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So TM is running scared. Another nail in the Tory coffin.

Can't understand why you are not more pleased K&C
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