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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
(Come on, someone from the 'left', come out and praise your longest lasting occupant of No 10!KnC, where are you?
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Not to steal KnC's thunder, and I guess many would characterise me as being from the 'right', but I offer praise to Tony Blair's Govt for removing all administrative discrimination on LGBT personnel serving in the Services (in 1999/2000 if I recall correctly).

It came at a great personal price to me to 'come out' at the time (for he was sadly unable to prevent some dinosaurs from continuing to discriminate by claiming that my time in the closet showed a 'history of dishonesty'.). But nearly 20 years down the road I feel all the better for it.

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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:02
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Depends how you define success. Home Secretary is an unforgiving job, when May took over in 2010 she was the 6th Home Secretary in 6 years; when she left the role on election to PM last year she was the longest holder of the post for over 50 years.
During that 6 years she failed dismally to cut down on immigration from outside the EU. Had she succeeded, her own preference for Remain may well have been the outcome of the referendum.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:21
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During that 6 years she failed dismally to cut down on immigration from outside the EU
She couldn't cut down immigration from outside the EU because the illegals came THROUGH the EU.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:51
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
She couldn't cut down immigration from outside the EU because the illegals came THROUGH the EU.
That, frankly, is no excuse, even assuming for the moment that in itself it's not fake news.

The UK spends a small fortune on an army of UKBA gestapo some with sense of humour and politeness levels more akin to US immigration and they check everyone arriving in UK - we aren't Schengen and therefore aside of the comparatively small number of stowaways on trucks the majority will be arriving through conventional channels, and ought to be identified. They probably are, and apply for asylum, following which they're in the country for years while an appeals system that's not fit for purpose fails to eject them.

The buck for that problem stops at the door of the Home Office, and it's former boss, one Theresa May.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Corbyns Shadow Cabinet



Their day may well come, but not for at least a decade or so, the way things are going for Labour at the moment............
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
She couldn't cut down immigration from outside the EU because the illegals came THROUGH the EU.
That may be true for illegals, but I understand that their numbers are relatively small compared to legal migrants.

It's just a thought, but I wonder how much legal migration from beyond the EU is due to marriage or to transfer of other relatives to the UK (which I understand immigrants who have formalised their residential status are allowed to do for practical and emotional reasons). And I wonder to what extent the Home Office's hands are tied in that respect?
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
She couldn't cut down immigration from outside the EU because the illegals came THROUGH the EU.
This was the "LEGAL" immigration that was allowed in.

As for cutting down ILLEGAL, the starving of Calais of personnel to search cars and trucks was on her nobody else.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 22:19
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Inflation well up and growth significantly slowed down..................... maybe the real reason why May went now rather than later.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 22:41
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Inflation well up and growth significantly slowed down..................... maybe the real reason why May went now rather than later.
Nah, it's the CPS and the disqualifications for fiddling elections, which would have wiped out the majority.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 00:28
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Remainers still 'digging', wonder when that will ever stop?
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 08:03
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 08:20
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That may be true for illegals, but I understand that their numbers are relatively small compared to legal migrants.
At the last count didn't the Home Office issue a number in the order of 300,000 Illegals roaming the country, un-contactable and who had been refused permanent entry?
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 08:32
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https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key...al-immigration

The Government has long shied away from attempting to estimate the illegal immigrant population of the UK. In 2005 however, the Home Office commissioned a report which estimated that in 2001 the population of illegal immigrants in the UK was approximately 430,000, excluding the UK born children of illegal immigrants.

In 2009, the London School of Economics produced an estimate of the illegal immigrant population in 2007; they suggested a central figure of 670,000 using a similar methodology to the 2005 estimate........

In 2010 Migration Watch UK estimated the illegal immigrant population at 1.1million. It is very likely that, in the five years since that estimate was produced, the number has continued to increase.......
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 11:37
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
At the last count didn't the Home Office issue a number in the order of 300,000 Illegals roaming the country, un-contactable and who had been refused permanent entry?
Wonder why the Home Office never produces statistics that show crimes committed by
1.) Permanent British Residents
2.) Legal Immigrants
3.) Illegal Immigrants

Could it the that 1.) is so high that 2 and 3 are immaterial and completely not relevant despite Mail and Express wanting to make them an issue.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 11:48
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Why on earth would any crime figures be immaterial or irrelevant?
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Why on earth would any crime figures be immaterial or irrelevant?
More likely impossible to enumerate: known unknowns and unknown unknowns etc
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
Why on earth would any crime figures be immaterial or irrelevant?
Well perhaps ask the Police about that as they refuse to investigate the majority of them.

As for immateriality or irrelevance if UK has 5 million crimes reported in UK and 100 were carried out by Illegal immigrants then in numbers terms they are immaterial and irrelevant in the context of total number of crimes.

Therefore the focusing on media of residency status of the perperrator of the crime is both irrelevant and immaterial.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 13:20
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Nope, a crime is a crime irrespective of who commits it and certainly does not become immaterial or irrelevant based solely on the nationality of the felon.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 13:41
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Having had been in some grey areas as far as employment is concerned if I was an illegal immigrant I would follow the letter of the law. Why throw it all away just for being caught for a petty crime.

The biggest gripe I have about illegal immigrants is why cannot they sort out there own country? It seems to be the fashion that if things are difficult finance some people smugglers and get on the European, preferably British, bandwagon knowing that if things get difficult the host country is going to pay for your lawyer.

Regrettable, but it's true, that the overwhelming population increase in Africa is a direct result of Bob Geldof's efforts in the eighties. The result has been that the population of Etheiopia has doubled in the last twenty-five years leaving a country totally dependent on aid with nothing to do except produce more and more children. Other countries are going through the same process and the problem will only get worse.-

Africa and the Middle East need to learn about and establish draconian birth control measures. Our Great Helmsman, Mao, overdid it slightly when he introduced the One Child Policy but without it the population of China would now be starting to become unmanageable. Even now they have relented by allowing two children for a couple who were BOTH part of a one child family.

The entire NHS and educations systems in the UK were geared to the small families of the fifties and sixties. Immigration has brought the era of large families and hospitals and schools that cannot cope.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
The biggest gripe I have about illegal immigrants is why cannot they sort out there own country?
So which country ..................... Afghanistan ? Iraq ? Somalia ? Libya ? Syria ?

How much has UK "invested" in assisting destruction of these countrys ?
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