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Old 27th Apr 2017, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Good example being Mr Kinnock - before he went into Parliament he was a teacher earning around £2000 a year, now after 40 odd years of loyal service his is worth around £5 million.

Way to go comrade...
Not forgetting two Jags 'Rocky' Prescott, and still people vote Labour? How obvious does it have to be before the 'sheep' work out they are being conned?
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 18:05
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With Blair, Miller, Sturgeon and Branson, to name but four, hell bent on trying to influence the public in their quest to scupper the Conservatives in the election to their ultimate goal of halting brexit, it will be interesting to see what the populous are going actually vote come polling day.

Has May miscalculated, has she done this hoping that she can do a Cameron, only time will tell.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
With Blair, Miller, Sturgeon and Branson, to name but four, hell bent on trying to influence the public in their quest to scupper the Conservatives in the election to their ultimate goal of halting brexit, it will be interesting to see what the populous are going actually vote come polling day.

Has May miscalculated, has she done this hoping that she can do a Cameron, only time will tell.
I remember going to bed on the 22nd of June convinced that Remain were going to win comfortably and then waking on the 23rd to find that Leave had won the day.

The likes of Bliar, Miller, Branson and fish face had tried their very best to sway public opinion then and came in in 2nd place so whilst I know things could go horribly wrong I suspect that the Corbyn factor alone will ensure the right outcome.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 18:37
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I remember reading a Somerset Maugham story where a Conservative minister describes his Labour opposite number as having " a certain tub thumping eloquence" but whose policies were hopelessly impractical. In the story the Tory grandee destroys the Labour mans career by making a speech in which he points out the deficiencies of his policies one by one.

It may get a quick laugh calling Corbyn a "mutton headed mugwump" but remarks like this are apt to backfire. What's needed is continuous challenging of Corbyn's policies, such as they are, concentrating on where the money he wants to spend is going to come from. For my part I'd also like his obvious defence weaknesses highlighted, but I rather suspect that the average voter doesn't give a damn about defence.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 20:59
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I am surprised this wasn't in the Guardian:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/s...084673/video/1
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 21:10
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Love the right wing Conservative mob that inhabit Prune. Not.
I remember from just a few days ago the sucking up to McGuiness by our very own PM and many others of her ilk, when he thankfully died.
Lest we forget, hey?
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 21:31
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Yep, lest we forget:

Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's close IRA links - Telegraph
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 04:16
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Having managed to actually find Wales, which was an achievement worthy of an entry in the Guiness Book of Records in itself for a Tory, the next foray into the hinterlands of the UK, marked by large signs on the motorway as you leave London, but a mystery thereafter, was to Leeds....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...our-heartlands

A suitably impassioned plea, stopping just short of an all out diktat ensued, however, there is one telling, very telling in fact, part of her speech that should set alarm bells ringing.....the use of the singular, rather than the plural.....or, for those who are confused, it's all about "me ! me ! me ! ".

Here's the comment in question.....

" Setting out her stall in Harehills, a working-class suburb with high populations of people with Pakistani and east European origins, is the strongest signal yet that May is prepared to be ambitious in her bid to sweep into traditional Labour cities. “This election is not about who you may have voted for in the past, it is about voting in the national interest,” she said.

“Every vote cast for me through my local Conservative candidates in cities like Leeds, and in towns and cities across the UK, will strengthen my hand when I negotiate with the prime ministers, presidents and chancellors of Europe in the months ahead
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For those who may have missed it, as the piece was on C4 News and most on here find the C4 News to be even more partisan, it isn't, but that's no barrier to insularity, than the BBC, here's a very interesting interview.

The comments about a "one party state", a Utopian idyll pined for by more than a few on here, albeit those who are quite happy with an autocracy as this reflects their own equally repellent traits, are worth listening to.....as is the assessment at the end as to what Corbyn's strategy should be.

https://www.channel4.com/news/interv...d-james-frayne

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Old 28th Apr 2017, 06:15
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It's a sign she wants to make this election a leadership comparison between herself and Jeremy Corbyn, rather than let Labour divert it onto issues such as the NHS etc.

Her speech along with Boris "mugwumps" speech bear the mark of a Lyndon Crosby election plan to make this election personal and to keep hammering at Corbyn and McDonald. Expect a continuous stream of such speeches, and atseady stream of stories concerning there links to CND and Stop the War; the IRA, HAMAS etc etc.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 07:54
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Her speech along with Boris "mugwumps" speech bear the mark of a Lyndon Crosby election plan to make this election personal and to keep hammering at Corbyn and McDonald. Expect a continuous stream of such speeches, and atseady stream of stories concerning there links to CND and Stop the War; the IRA, HAMAS etc etc.
Mugwump? More of a Quocker-wodger methinks!

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Old 28th Apr 2017, 07:58
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Had to look that one up Siti - most apt!
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 09:07
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Sorry to see that Gisela Stuart is standing down.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 09:40
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It's a sign she wants to make this election a leadership comparison between herself and Jeremy Corbyn, rather than let Labour divert it onto issues such as the NHS etc.

Her speech along with Boris "mugwumps" speech bear the mark of a Lyndon Crosby election plan to make this election personal and to keep hammering at Corbyn and McDonald. Expect a continuous stream of such speeches, and atseady stream of stories concerning there links to CND and Stop the War; the IRA, HAMAS etc etc.
Couldn't agree more ORAC.

It would be somewhat problematic ( for her and the Tories ) if Labour were to concentrate on the more pertinent issues facing the electorate after all....

It's also a sign of both her insecurity, and desperation, if her strategy is based, as you say, on defamatory attacks on the Labour leadership. There again, her spell as Home Secretary aside, she's not really got a track record to promote to the UK population so this approach is really all she can concentrate on.

The good news however, is, that, come the next election after this, she will have a track record and one which will include the debacle of Brexit....at which point, the UK population should have seen, and heard, enough to remove her and the Tories from office.

The problem of course, is that a large percentage of the voting electorate are likely to be swayed by her current charm offensive..... and the continuous repetition of the soon to be infamous campaign slogan....and thus diverted away from the duplicity and not so embryonic kleptomania she has already demonstrated as being a feature of her characteristics now she is PM.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 10:05
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Sorry to see that Gisela Stuart is standing down.
So am I. One of the few Labour MPs who deserve some respect.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 10:16
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I if her strategy is based, as you say, on defamatory attacks on the Labour leadership.
It isnt defamatory if theyre true. And all will be backed up audio and video recordings which have been patiently collected and stored away over the last year and will provided to the media for their use.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 10:19
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It isnt defamatory if theyre true. And all will be backed up audio and video recordings which have been patiently collected and stored away over the last year and will provided to the media for their use.
Quite so. Besides, "Pot to kettle: You're black, over" springs to mind.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 10:29
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There again, her spell as Home Secretary aside, she's not really got a track record to promote to the UK population so this approach is really all she can concentrate on.
And that isn't exactly a record of sparkling success.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 10:43
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Depends how you define success. Home Secretary is an unforgiving job, when May took over in 2010 she was the 6th Home Secretary in 6 years; when she left the role on election to PM last year she was the longest holder of the post for over 50 years.

She won't be easy to get out of No 10 now she's there.
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:00
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About No 10:

Ghost of Blair ordered back to the netherworld

(Come on, someone from the 'left', come out and praise your longest lasting occupant of No 10! KnC, where are you? Or has the Guardian told you not to praise him?)
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Old 28th Apr 2017, 12:38
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
It's a sign she wants to make this election a leadership comparison between herself and Jeremy Corbyn, rather than let Labour divert it onto issues such as the NHS etc.

Her speech along with Boris "mugwumps" speech bear the mark of a Lyndon Crosby election plan to make this election personal and to keep hammering at Corbyn and McDonald. Expect a continuous stream of such speeches, and atseady stream of stories concerning there links to CND and Stop the War; the IRA, HAMAS etc etc.
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