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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:20
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
no Labour government ever made poor people rich.
Except many of their own politicians, who have done very well on the backs of the taxpayers.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:38
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Except many of their own politicians, who have done very well on the backs of the taxpayers.
Lord Prescott would fight you over that slur on his socialist beleifs
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:39
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
KnC will only post links that suit his own political prejudices. By way of balance, The Daily Telegraph are reporting quite the opposite - that the Conservatives are leaning towards retaining the Triple Lock.........

Well... there's a surprise....a Tory supporting newspaper saying "nice things" about, erm, proposed Tory policy.

That, and you are correct, for a change, in that I do post links that suit my political affiliation.

Nice to learn therefore, that, on a forum which is now saturated with right wing posts, you define mine as being...prejudiced.

Sallyann....now that is a very good point re Boris....unfortunately, he's still in a position to add some influence with regard to policy implementation and influencing the public at the same time
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:44
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Gut feeling.....Conservative majority to increase dramatically. Look at the Labour front row, who, other than blind optimists would vote for.......That?
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well... there's a surprise....a Tory supporting newspaper saying "nice things" about, erm, proposed Tory policy.
As much of a surprise, in fact, as a Left of Centre newspaper publishing a story casting alleged (because that's all it is) Tory policy in a light unfavourable to them.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:00
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And for those on here who are so adamant the Guardian only ever publishes left and liberal minded perspectives, it doesn't, which is one of the many reasons it's a delight to read, here's some more on what may well become a very contentious issue in the equally very near future....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...sion-rich-oecd

Have a read of Philip Inman's piece....

Personally, I feel if you have paid the N.I contributions required, you are entitled to receive the full state pension.

And if the Tories are so enthusiastic about sourcing the revenue for care, rather than impose a tax on those who may well not be able to pay anyway ( and from recent experience as I have said, the cost pw for my late mother was four figures which is more or less standard now ) then lets use the revenue being squandered on the vanity project called HS2 .....and Trident.

A more rigorous pursuit by HMRC would be nice to see...although yesterday's news about "the beautiful game" was a pleasure to read in this respect.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 11:03
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Personally, I feel if you have paid the N.I contributions required, you are entitled to receive the full state pension.
And oddly enough I agree with you. With the caveat that NI contributions should be ringfenced for social obligations like pensions and welfare, rather than simply being used as another form of taxation.

The problem with the triple lock, and with the state pension in general is that it is unfunded. Itís a giant Ponzi scheme in which tomorrows pensioners are going to be underwritten by contributions from todays young people.

If the Labour Party really want to become both radical and relevant, they could do a lot worse than propose reform of the system rather than just chucking more money at it.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
And for those on here who are so adamant the Guardian only ever publishes left and liberal minded perspectives, it doesn't, which is one of the many reasons it's a delight to read, here's some more on what may well become a very contentious issue in the equally very near future....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...sion-rich-oecd

Have a read of Philip Inman's piece....

Personally, I feel if you have paid the N.I contributions required, you are entitled to receive the full state pension.

And if the Tories are so enthusiastic about sourcing the revenue for care, rather than impose a tax on those who may well not be able to pay anyway ( and from recent experience as I have said, the cost pw for my late mother was four figures which is more or less standard now ) then lets use the revenue being squandered on the vanity project called HS2 .....and Trident.

A more rigorous pursuit by HMRC would be nice to see...although yesterday's news about "the beautiful game" was a pleasure to read in this respect.
Of course it might have helped if one eyed Gordy hadn't raped so many private pension schemes. Unintended consequences or sheer financial illiteracy? And the latest promises seem to be going down the same route.

Never trust Labour with your money.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
And oddly enough I agree with you. With the caveat that NI contributions should be ringfenced for social obligations like pensions and welfare, rather than simply being used as another form of taxation.
A common fallacy is that the NI contributions you pay over a lifetime go into a kitty to be paid out as your state pension when you retire. It is todays taxpayers who foot the bill. Over twenty years ago I could see that this was never going to provide for a comfortable retirement and at that point I decided to become a capitalist running dog instead.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 11:44
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A question: The 'left' deride anyone that they don't like and are slightly more 'right' than them as 'fascist'. The 'left' claim to represent 'the working man' (a bit sexist that, but that is their way). 'Fascists' almost always seem to get voted in by 'the working classes'. How do the 'left' answer that one?
False Consciousness.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 13:04
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Except many of their own politicians, who have done very well on the backs of the taxpayers.
Good example being Mr Kinnock - before he went into Parliament he was a teacher earning around £2000 a year, now after 40 odd years of loyal service his is worth around £5 million.

Way to go comrade...
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 13:41
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And his wife also found a comfy seat on the gravy train.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 13:51
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And his wife also found a comfy seat on the gravy train.
And his son.....
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
And his son.....
But they are all good Socialists.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 14:21
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Not sure about good - but certainly typical.....
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 14:45
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Man Arrested With Knife in Whitehall

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ics-live#img-1



Statement from the Metropolitan Police:

A man has been arrested in Whitehall this afternoon, at approximately 14:22, following a stop and search as part of an ongoing operation. The man was arrested in Parliament Street, junction with Parliament Square, by armed officers from the Met’s Specialist Firearms Command. The man, aged in his late twenties, was arrested on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon and on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of acts of terrorism.Knives have been recovered from him. He is being detained under the Terrorism Act and is in custody in a south London police station. Detectives from the Counter Terrorism Command are continuing their investigation, and as a result of this arrest there is no immediate known threat.

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Old 27th Apr 2017, 15:21
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At the moment, that Guardian article is showing a rolling news feed with the headline "UKIP under fire for choosing candidate who called Islam evil".

Oh, the irony!
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 16:52
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Good example being Mr Kinnock - before he went into Parliament he was a teacher earning around £2000 a year, now after 40 odd years of loyal service his is worth around £5 million.

Way to go comrade...
Not forgetting two Jags 'Rocky' Prescott, and still people vote Labour? How obvious does it have to be before the 'sheep' work out they are being conned?
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 17:05
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With Blair, Miller, Sturgeon and Branson, to name but four, hell bent on trying to influence the public in their quest to scupper the Conservatives in the election to their ultimate goal of halting brexit, it will be interesting to see what the populous are going actually vote come polling day.

Has May miscalculated, has she done this hoping that she can do a Cameron, only time will tell.
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