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Old 26th Apr 2017, 15:55
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Just watching PMQs. Does anyone else think Emily Thornberry is detestable? Sitting behind Corbyn squawking away like a bloated parrot. A more odious slattern I have yet to lay eyes on. (Although DA does run a very, very close second).
The Labour front bench is akin to the auditions for a re-make of The Village of The Damned!
Agreed.

Whilst Corbyn is a very poor leader I thing his lieutenants are an even bigger problem for the Labour Party.

How did the Party manage to select and promote such a bunch of odious, incompetent and wholly stupid people.

I notice their latest MP fits the bill perfectly. Whilst on the one hand it is strangely funny, in reality it is deeply disturbing.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 16:18
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Originally Posted by qwertyuiop View Post
How did the Party manage to select and promote such a bunch of odious, incompetent and wholly stupid people.
Because the only ones who have any competence or experience have either retired, found jobs outside Westminster or refused to serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Akrotiri71 View Post
Just watching PMQs. Does anyone else think Emily Thornberry is detestable? Sitting behind Corbyn squawking away like a bloated parrot. A more odious slattern I have yet to lay eyes on. (Although DA does run a very, very close second).
The Labour front bench is akin to the auditions for a re-make of The Village of The Damned!
I would of said "The Wicker Man"

But I do find Ms Thornberry an odious individual, who has that smug "I'm better than you - so don't disagree with me" look.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 18:04
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How sweet...a series of posts from kindred spirits, all united in their tireless quest to be as disparaging as possible about female MP's, the term slattern in particular reaching a new low, if that were possible here on JB, but seemingly it is, in this respect.

However, this quote does deserve reciprocation given the terms used.

" an odious individual, who has that smug "I'm better than you - so don't disagree with me" look"

From the doyenne herself, the unlamented deceased on her infamous "Where there is hope we will bring despair and discord " hectoring arrival speech.

Astute viewers will note the uncanny, and unnerving, resemblance in both content, lexicon and inflection to that of one Sister Theresa.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A23PQCndPYU

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Old 26th Apr 2017, 18:38
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So, we are to go to the polls voting for the best looking candidates or the most fashionably dressed, are we?
Whatever Ms Thornberry's faults, I will bet you a quid she would never write "I would of said....".
Has anyone noted that Theresa May seems to be out of ammunition from the start of this fight. She has no achievements in parliament thus far so can't boast of those during the pre-election slanging matches and thus has to resort to personal digs at Corbyn. How many here knew her nickname among her parliamentary colleagues was "Submarine"? (maybe still is?). Apparently the nickname arose from her habit of being nowhere to be found when tricky or difficult matters arose in parliament!
I am sad to say, it seems we will have 3 major parties with 3 minor leaders to choose from. Oh woe is me!
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 18:48
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Frankly, I don't give a stuff about how candidates look, as long as they have what it takes to represent their constituents.

Sadly, there are far, far too many complete tossers in politics (on all sides) who are there to massage their own ego or make a career in politics because they wouldn't have a hope of making a living any other way.

If it was feasible to apply some sort of realistic aptitude test to all potential candidates, that was common to all political parties and independent candidates, then I would be all for it. After all, we use aptitude testing for a range of jobs that demand specific personal attributes, from pilots and aircrew through to those working on supermarket checkouts, so why on earth shouldn't we do the same for those who wish to govern us?
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 19:40
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
You have qualified that as regards me, but I'm still going to put in my two pennorth. I am not supporting Labour this time, but that maybe what Corbyn wants. His philosophy isn't really based on taking power, which is just as well because the brewery piss up is well beyond his organisational skills.
Hope you are enjoying France, we are currently on holiday in Gran Canaria. In the politest possible terms your post proves the point I am making. The Left are fully aware that trying to promote the sack of tripe that is the current labour party is impossible and that the best that can be offered in here is adhom attacks on the opposition. How times have changed.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 20:42
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Does anyone else think Emily Thornberry is detestable?
Going on her record, it would appear that "white-van men" do!! She was rather 'smug' and "I'm better than you - so don't disagree with me" about one of them once.



A question: The 'left' deride anyone that they don't like and are slightly more 'right' than them as 'fascist'. The 'left' claim to represent 'the working man' (a bit sexist that, but that is their way). 'Fascists' almost always seem to get voted in by 'the working classes'. How do the 'left' answer that one?
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 22:15
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
A question: The 'left' deride anyone that they don't like and are slightly more 'right' than them as 'fascist'. The 'left' claim to represent 'the working man' (a bit sexist that, but that is their way). 'Fascists' almost always seem to get voted in by 'the working classes'. How do the 'left' answer that one?
A favourite (which the 'right' also use when 'their own' people choose to vote the 'wrong' way) is:

"We failed to get our message across."

When the truth is, of course, that they got their message across perfectly clearly, and the people ('their own' people) didn't like it.

Anyway, on this particular point the 'left' may be suffering from some left <-> right / liberal <-> fascist confusion. As these are orthogonal axes there's no reason why someone can't be both 'left' and fascist, and plenty do seem to be.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 22:23
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She looked like a certain insurance company's nodding dog today.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 23:56
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^^^
Churchill. How incongruous.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 04:20
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It's taken a bit longer than expected, but, finally, the one and only Boris makes his entrance.....

General election 2017: Labour leader a 'mugwump', says Johnson - BBC News

A nice turn of phrase here, but, given the outlet, one that should be easily understood by the "readers"....some may have this capability after all.

Only the Tories could twist the knife like this however.....

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ck-on-pensions

Having already "adjusted" the claiming age for women, Mother Theresa and her acolytes are now in the process of ensuring a few million pensioners are trapped between a rock and a hard place.....for those on here unable to grasp the practical implications therefore, this means the Tories will happily reduce the state pension by suggesting the savings will be spent on care....which they won't be.

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Old 27th Apr 2017, 06:26
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To be fair to the Conservatives (impossible for 'free thinkers' like KnC) the triple lock was unaffordable and could be seen as deeply unfair to the rest of the nation, certainly those workers whose income was restricted by other factors. The proposals to increase pensions in line with average wage rises or inflation is set Sible and affordable. To bankrupt the economy is Labour's plan and is the reason they will take a kicking unless they can come up with something more sensible.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 06:37
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Interesting to see it's the LibDems saying it, nit the Conservatives......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...dges-qxvnr7xsr

Labour has been accused of conjuring a “magic money tree” after pledging to use an increase in corporation tax to fund eight different policies.

Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, promised a pay rise for “undervalued, overworked and underpaid” NHS workers would be funded by rolling back cuts to corporation tax. It was at least the eighth time since March last year that Labour has promised to fund more spending by taxing business, according to Liberal Democrat analysis. The corporation tax rate is set to fall from 19 to 17 per cent by April 2020.

In January, John McDonnell said cuts to corporation tax “have cost the Exchequer billions” and should instead be used to pay for more “teachers, police officers and nurses”.

In December, at prime minister’s questions, Mr Corbyn called on Theresa May to “cancel the corporation tax cut and put the money into social care instead”.

The month before that, Labour said it would “reverse the tax cuts for the wealthy and big business” to provide support for women born in the 1950s affected by changes to the state pension age.

At other times, the party has said a corporation tax rise — in contrast to the Tories’ planned cut — could be used to: fund businesses infrastructure; end the 1 per cent pay cap on public sector workers; restore student grants; and invest in jobs and the steel sector.

Norman Lamb, the Lib Dem health spokesman, said: “This is a complete shambles. Labour’s magic money tree is not the answer to the crisis facing the NHS. They are hopelessly divided, have no credible plan for the economy and are clearly unfit for government.”.........
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 07:47
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Interesting to see it's the LibDems saying it, nit the Conservatives......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...dges-qxvnr7xsr

Labour has been accused of conjuring a “magic money tree” after pledging to use an increase in corporation tax to fund eight different policies.

Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, promised a pay rise for “undervalued, overworked and underpaid” NHS workers would be funded by rolling back cuts to corporation tax. It was at least the eighth time since March last year that Labour has promised to fund more spending by taxing business, according to Liberal Democrat analysis. The corporation tax rate is set to fall from 19 to 17 per cent by April 2020.

In January, John McDonnell said cuts to corporation tax “have cost the Exchequer billions” and should instead be used to pay for more “teachers, police officers and nurses”.

In December, at prime minister’s questions, Mr Corbyn called on Theresa May to “cancel the corporation tax cut and put the money into social care instead”.

The month before that, Labour said it would “reverse the tax cuts for the wealthy and big business” to provide support for women born in the 1950s affected by changes to the state pension age.

At other times, the party has said a corporation tax rise — in contrast to the Tories’ planned cut — could be used to: fund businesses infrastructure; end the 1 per cent pay cap on public sector workers; restore student grants; and invest in jobs and the steel sector.

Norman Lamb, the Lib Dem health spokesman, said: “This is a complete shambles. Labour’s magic money tree is not the answer to the crisis facing the NHS. They are hopelessly divided, have no credible plan for the economy and are clearly unfit for government.”.........

I have a feeling that the relative silence of the Conservatives on topics like this may well be tactical. They know the LibDems don't have a hope of getting more than a few handfuls of seats at best, so letting the LibDems demolish Labour's unsustainable policies (not that Labour needs any help - they seem quite able to demolish themselves) saves the Conservatives from doing it and leaves them looking relatively unsullied.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 09:47
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Well, that didn't take long.....the "special relationship" comes to the fore.....again.

Johnson: Difficult to say 'no' to Syria strike - BBC News
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well, that didn't take long.....the "special relationship" comes to the fore.....again.

Johnson: Difficult to say 'no' to Syria strike - BBC News
Sorry to drag your post slightly off topic, but I will be very interested to see whether Boris survives May's post-election cabinet reshuffle.
If she gets back in with a big majority, she may feel strong enough to drop him back in the toy box.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:15
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Sorry to drag your post slightly off topic, but I will be very interested to see whether Boris survives May's post-election cabinet reshuffle.
If she gets back in with a big majority, she may feel strong enough to drop him back in the toy box.
Every party has its clown. Labour went one better and created a whole circus of them.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:20
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Maggie actually did more to take many families out of near poverty by allowing them to buy their council house (the problem was in not building more). The socialists hate her for it.
She converted my lifelong Labour voting parents to the Tory ranks by allowing them to become homeowners with the right to buy scheme.

Dad was a lorry driver and mum an office worker and they would have had no chance what so ever of buying their own house but Mrs Thatcher changed that.

Dad passed away a few years back but mum still lives in that house and still votes Tory based simply on that wonderful decision from Mrs T and the realisation that no Labour government ever made poor people rich.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 10:20
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To be fair to the Conservatives (impossible for 'free thinkers' like KnC) the triple lock was unaffordable....
KnC will only post links that suit his own political prejudices. By way of balance, The Daily Telegraph are reporting quite the opposite - that the Conservatives are leaning towards retaining the Triple Lock.........
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