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Old 24th Feb 2017, 18:08
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I personally do not like Dian Abbot for the way she conducts her politics and, while I thought Jeremy Corbyn was exactly what the Labour Party needed during Blair's time, I couldn't vote for either. Corbyn, during the Blair years was a man of some ethics and stuck to his principles. On the other hand I soon formed the opinion he couldn't lead his way up a blind alley! Maybe very clever and someone who tries to avoid being hypocritical. But never a "leader".
As for all the froth above regarding the 2 by-elections, did anyone listen to the voters in each of the constituencies, giving their reasons for voting other than expected. Those in Cumbria said it was Corbyn's anti-nuclear stance that did it for them. And you can hardly blame them, turkeys don't vote for Xmas! Those in Stoke, when asked about UKIP tended to say UKIP was a one trick pony and that is done and dusted so they serve no more purpose.
And did anyone hear the UKIP deputy chairman on the radio, claiming that UKIP had won the Brexit campaign? Really? I must have missed that!
Finally, HeartyMeatballs & SFFP: Given that Diane Abbot is someone's daughter and someone's mother and you both think it is great to be slagging her off because of her size, will it be OK now for the rest of us to apply the same to your mothers, partners and daughters? No. I should think not! So why don't you both wind your necks in, take the person bashing out of it and return to the topic "UK politics...."?
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 18:37
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Couldn't stop smiling today. Even a £1,600+ vet bill couldn't put the damper on the by-election results. It just gets better and better for Mrs. May, Brexit and the Conservatives.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:04
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I find her repulsive in the extreme. Hitler was somebody's son afterall. Going by your analogy he should be immune to and criticism? I wonder perhaps if we were speaking badly of a white male if you would defend him so quickly. Land-whale Diane Abbott has been accused of racism and bullying on numerous occasions. Any criticism of her is well justified, even if it gets personal. I notice that several prolific leftist posters on here are allowed to make mass generalisations, insult people or brand them as a racist/sexist etc yet you fail to challenge them.

Let's not forget the mantra of the left: all white people are racist, all men as mysogonistic, all cigs people are transphobic, all brexiters are xenophobic etc etc. It's extremely tiresome, as is your faux outrage over my comments about land-whale Diane Abbott. I shall endeavour to start my future post with 'trigger warnings' to make the discussion more inclusive. I wouldn't want any of you lefties to be triggered without warning.

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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:09
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Labours decline goes far deeper than Corbyn. A few decades ago they decided to elevate minorities to the status of saints, in an attempt to add numbers to their voter base. They were successful in one respect, with many of those minorities flocking to the Red Flag.

But there was a fly in the ointment. Their traditional voter base, being deeply traditional and conservative with a small "c" were very suspicious of those new vociferous groups, who quickly took control of the party. Anyone who dissented was labelled, fascist, racist, bigot, homophobe and many other names for merely expressing an opinion. The grass roots, multi generation Labour voters could clearly see they were being taken for granted, becoming second class members behind the single issue incomers. Hardly surprising that they have deserted the party that has abandoned them.

So there you have it. From Ragged Trousered Philanthropist, to Marxist, Islamist, Terrorist, Sodomist in one generation.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:18
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Well there's a surprise....who would have thought, that, possibly this was all of his own making but, it's all, as usual, down to the media for demonising him....

Nigel Farage 'frightened' to go outside as UKIP is 'demonised' - BBC News

Oh, and the not so subtle hint, a bit like Arnie here "I'll be back "....a new, "interim" leader role perhaps.

Still waiting I note for an answer to a valid question.

Posting a link is easy. Justifying the content less so.

Mind you, we are still waiting for you involvement with the LGBT community to be explained, your hypocrisy over smoking to be explained and why Stoke was your chosen location when even a cursory search reveals locations much closer to home.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:18
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Indeed. The swedes have a double whammy of needing votes and needing to grow the population. This has had dire consequences and the only reason why we aren't seeing a massive surge in violent crime, murder rates and sexual assault figures, is that we haven't opened the door to untold numbers of complete unknowns to our county.

Perhaps Komrad, Farage is worried about (in)tolerant lefties or extremist violent leftist groups (yes, that one loved by Brendan Cox) sending 20+ people to intimidate him and his family. Manchester seems to be more hot air and remainer tears than 'wind and water'.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:24
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Below is the final paragraph from KnCs linked Guardian article, as he suggests it does pose some serious questions:

Nevertheless, both contests were in seats that Labour has held since before the second world war. These are seats which it should have retained with ease if it was an effective opposition. In some of the earlier byelections in this parliament – such as Oldham West, Sheffield Brightside and Tooting – Labour did quite respectably. But not this week. The Labour vote was down by two points from 2015 in Stoke and by five in Copeland. There is nothing here for Labour to celebrate. The 2015 election was already a low base, from which Labour has once again declined. These results point to the continuing erosion of Labour as a credible governing party in modern Britain under Mr Corbyn. Maybe this is not terminal decline, but that is hardly a consolation for Labour wellwishers. Yes, Labour survives. But to what end? What is today’s Labour party for? This is a question which needs a better answer than Mr Corbyn is offering.
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 19:33
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Labours decline goes far deeper than Corbyn. A few decades ago they decided to elevate minorities to the status of saints, in an attempt to add numbers to their voter base. They were successful in one respect, with many of those minorities flocking to the Red Flag.

But there was a fly in the ointment. Their traditional voter base, being deeply traditional and conservative with a small "c" were very suspicious of those new vociferous groups, who quickly took control of the party. Anyone who dissented was labelled, fascist, racist, bigot, homophobe and many other names for merely expressing an opinion. The grass roots, multi generation Labour voters could clearly see they were being taken for granted, becoming second class members behind the single issue incomers. Hardly surprising that they have deserted the party that has abandoned them.

So there you have it. From Ragged Trousered Philanthropist, to Marxist, Islamist, Terrorist, Sodomist in one generation.
Siti, a truly vino inspired piece old boy....please don't say you hadn't been indulging when you created this little pearl of political analysis.

Just one teensy point however....in your last line you use the singular, rather than the plural...anybody in particular in mind here ?
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 21:41
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Heartymeatballs: Are you professionally stupid or has it just grown on you? Diana Abbot has a son, alive and well, as far as I know. She also, presumably, has parents etc. Now how do you think they feel when they read people throwing epithets around such as yours?
Anyway, by your logic, it is time for others to start tarring your female relatives with the same crappy brush. And when they get annoyed they will have you to blame.
Oh, and she didn't cause any wars or murder millions.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 02:02
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Kev chap,

Just a thought but do you reckon any of those that Ms Abbot denigrates have family?
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 04:13
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From today's Guardian......for all those who may be confused as to what the word....pragmatic...actually means.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-labour-defeat

Disheartening in one sense, certainly, but not irrevocable.

"Kev chap "

Kelvin D.....congratulations on being addressed as "chap". A term used by the poster in his Hyacinth Bouguet emulation to compound the delusion offered to us as to how cosmopolitan he feels he is......such is the side effect of being a "success" in life.

However, no reply to the questions posed....two were relatively straightforward, or so you might have thought, the other was a political question on a political thread....which, not unsurprisingly, has an element of complexity within it.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 07:36
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Now here is a guy with his finger on the pulse

David Miliband: Labour at its weakest for 50 years under Corbyn

a truly wonderful time politically and long may Jezza rule.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 08:15
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I disagree with him, but only on the 50. I would double it.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 11:43
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And the hits just keep on coming

Corbyn election win impossible after Labour's crushing Copeland defeat

Based on this weeks dismal performance a prediction of less than 200 seats at the next election, this kind of brilliant news is absolutely exactly what the country needs.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 11:56
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KevinD - oh deary me. You're well and truely triggered my friend. So I called her a nasty horrible naughty word. Boohoo. How about addressing the fact that she's a racist, hypocritical bully? No? I thought not. I'm sure Dianne Abbott's grown up son learned coping strategies when it comes to any insults being directed to mother bear (emphasis on the bear!) at his lavish private school.

Sorry, but just because you're female, black, gay or any other minority (real, or made up) does not make you immune to criticism. It doesn't mean that everyone has to like you. I doesn't make someone who doesn't like you (and my word I detest the woman) a sexist, racist, homophobe or any other buzzword. I means they have an opinion and they're entitled to free speech. Not everybody likes me. I don't like everybody, some people I wouldn't p-ss on if they were on fire. That's just life buddy. Deal with it. I've never once played the discrimination card just because someone was mean, or someone 'won' the arguement and I don't expect anyone to play their female/black/trans/whatever cards when things don't go their way.

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Old 25th Feb 2017, 17:51
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Siti, a truly vino inspired piece old boy....please don't say you hadn't been indulging when you created this little pearl of political analysis.
The great thing about the modern left is that even when someone points out their mistakes to them, they just double down.
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 18:07
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Always good to see taxpayers' money being spent wisely.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58b017f5e4b0780bac284111
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Old 25th Feb 2017, 18:56
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Komrad. When it comes to insulting people because they've made a few spelling mistakes and now accusing people of posting while drunk, it suggests to me that you've well & truly lost!

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Old 25th Feb 2017, 19:11
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I think you mean well and truly.

Sorry HMB, I don't normally do grammar police duty, but in the circumstances I couldn't resist.

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Old 25th Feb 2017, 22:34
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Originally Posted by MG23 View Post
The great thing about the modern left is that even when someone points out their mistakes to them, they just double down.
Nail on head and this proves that conclusively

Tom Watson: Labour 'has to do better' but Corbyn should stay

Fantastic news for British politics.
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