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Old 7th Dec 2016, 08:47
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The covering of one's face I find unacceptable. I ride a small motorcycle, and there are loads of places where I have to remove my helmet so that my face can be seen. There are damned good reasons for this in places like banks, shop and garage checkouts etc. It annoys the heck out of me that I have to take my helmet off so that the cashier and CCTV can see my face, yet some woman with her face veiled doesn't have to do the same.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 10:10
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On BBC R4 this morning, a single mother with two kids was moaning about her low wages, benefit payments and the struggle to make ends meet.
At no point did the interviewer pose the question, "what assistance do you get from the father(s) of your children?"

It probably didn't even cross his mind to consider this.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 12:28
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It does seem crazy where signs saying "motorcyclists please remove your helmet" are very common and perfectly legal, but if anyone was to put up a sign saying "please remove any veil or face covering", for precisely the same reasons as the remove your helmet sign, it would cause outrage.

Being able to see a face to identify a person, or to better determine their intentions, seems something that is an essential requirement to me. It's nothing at all to do with racism or religious intolerance, it's plain common sense.

In practically every day-to-day transaction there is a degree of trust between those making the transaction, and a large part of that trust is based on being able to see the facial response and reactions of those making the transaction.

Am I going to wholly trust someone who'd face I cannot see? No, I'm not. It's not irrational, racist or any form of bias, it's based on the fact that we have evolved to judge emotions and reactions from looking at each other's faces.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 12:34
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I think Sharia courts are an abomination and should be reined in. And the same applies to Beth Din but nobody ever complains about that.
Churches also have their own ways of doing things.

For example, until very recently the Catholic church's approach to priests being involved in child molesting was to hold their own investigation, rap them on the knuckles (very lightly indeed), and move them to another parish. It's only the last couple of years that it's occurred to them that they ought to involve the authorities in actual, y'know, crimes.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 13:12
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Can anyone explain why a political party with nine MPs that garnered a little over 7% of the popular vote at the last general election are given so much airtime and provide 'spokesmen' to comment on issues that had their opinions been believed in 2015 would see them with more MPs?
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 13:32
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I think Sharia courts are an abomination and should be reined in. And the same applies to Beth Din but nobody ever complains about that.
I think the phrase “Sharia Courts” is often misused. Under English law, it is permissible for civil disputes to be resolved by alternative forms of arbitration providing all parties concerned are agreeable.

The crucial thing to my mind is that a) any judgement passed does not breach English law, and b) the participants are not bullied into use of Sharia or other religious systems for cultural reasons.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 14:54
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I also think that most so-called "Sharia Courts" are, in fact, Sharia Councils, with a far wider remit than just to decide on things like divorce or civil disputes.

The main issue that's arisen from the Casey Review is that these Sharia Councils are exclusively male and frequently impose rules on their community that are contrary to UK law.

They are highly respected within their community, so when they make rulings, such as that it is acceptable for a man to forbid women to go outside his house without his permission, or it is acceptable for a man to require that all women in his house dress in a certain way, or even that is is acceptable to prohibit women from driving a car, the community accept these rulings as if they were law.

On the positive side, Sharia Councils can act as arbitration bodies and act quite sensibly when it comes to resolving disputes that might otherwise escalate and end up in court.

It all comes down to how radical each is. Here, I've been assured that our local Sharia Council only really acts as a dispute arbitration body, and to dissolve marriages (something that has to be done in this way, as Islam does not accept divorce unless it has been agreed in this way, apparently).
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 16:54
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The main issue that's arisen from the Casey Review is that these Sharia Councils are exclusively male and frequently impose rules on their community that are contrary to UK law.
Its that bit about this religion that troubles me most, women have absolutely no say in the manner with which they live their lives and their whole lives are lived at the behest of men and for the life of me I cannot work out how anyone can defend it.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 17:13
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Its that bit about this religion that troubles me most, women have absolutely no say in the manner with which they live their lives and their whole lives are lived at the behest of men and for the life of me I cannot work out how anyone can defend it.
The "sisters" are strangely silent. Feminism has been exposed as a sham, created solely to denigrate and destroy the white male.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 18:03
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Since some of you are in the "all chaps together" mode, and quite what the direct relevance of the posts referring to that much loved topic on here....."anything to do with Islam is bad " has to do with UK politics is beyond me......thus, I hate to spoil your party, but, when it comes to women's rights and status, something about glass houses and stones springs to mind.....a little closer to home...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...at-work-report

" The "sisters" are strangely silent. Feminism has been exposed as a sham, created solely to denigrate and destroy the white male" .


Siti !

An absolute classic old boy ! .....tis now the 21st century by the way, women have the vote no less !....some of them even captain aircraft !...( feel free to take a stiff G n T here at this, presumably, revelatory news )

However, I do, truly regret I am not in a position to socially introduce to several ladies I know, who would, I assure you, be delighted to listen, in complete silence of course, as befits their perceived status by your omnipotent self ( white male ) before, alas, "educating" you as to the error of your ways....which would be a somewhat steep learning curve for you and, I have to say, would leave me convulsed in laughter.
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Old 7th Dec 2016, 18:10
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I have no problem with women flying aeroplanes - they just need a man to park them...



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Old 7th Dec 2016, 20:22
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
The "sisters" are strangely silent. Feminism has been exposed as a sham, created solely to denigrate and destroy the white male.
Probably the worst of the bunch when it comes to apologists. The only subject matter they steer well clear of is the how and why Muslim women are treated as they are by their men folk.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 12:07
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On BBC R4 this morning, a single mother with two kids was moaning about her low wages, benefit payments and the struggle to make ends meet.
At no point did the interviewer pose the question, "what assistance do you get from the father(s) of your children?"

It probably didn't even cross his mind to consider this.
There are adequate enough laws to take money from the fathers in a separation. Not all single mothers are the result of an uncaring father.

One of the main causes of poverty in this country is debt not low income/benefit payments. The extortionate credit interest charged to keep people in a perpetual spiral of debt is scandalous. Many families who would otherwise have an adequate income are trapped in a never ending cycle where all they can afford to pay each month is the interest and none of the capital. This is of course the aim of these predatory lenders.
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Old 8th Dec 2016, 19:28
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where all they can afford to pay each month is the interest and none of the capital. This is of course the aim of these predatory lenders.
"You and Yours' R4 today. A charity shop in Huyton, Scouserville, has opened up in direct competition with the extortionate, 'we lend to anyone, however bad their credit score', shops there. Example: £144 whitegoods item with the usual suspects is dragged out to cost about £400 in total. With the new place, £160, and all in 12 months. I like it, and hope it flies.

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Old 9th Dec 2016, 05:03
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I'm not blaming the poor, because it's a concomitant of their overall situation but bad money management is often at the heart of it. Driving back from Stansted last night with my son when his gf phoned. She wanted him to lend her money to lend to a work colleague who has got herself into debt.

The cause of this debt? She threw a lavish Halloween party. Well I regard it as lavish when you are buying kids special outfits for a single evening when your rent is overdue. Of course there are all sorts of pressures on parents, many of whom are virtually kids themselves. It's the system innit?
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 05:45
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Aw, bless.....only UKIP could claim a "good result" by coming, erm, second.... a mere 13000+ votes behind the winner....!

Conservatives win Sleaford by-election - BBC News

And yes, I have noted, before the rattle banging and collective dribbling begins, that, both Labour and the Lib-Dems didn't exactly gain a significant number of votes.....not unsurprising however in a constituency which would vote for an amoeba if it wore a blue rosette.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 07:05
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The interesting point being that Labour, which came 2nd in last year's general election, came last behind not only UKIP but also thr Lib-Dems - and lost their deposit.
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 07:37
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The BBC this morning keep saying that UKIP came a distant second, with emphasis on the word "distant". Only through gritted teeth do they mention that Labour fell from second place to fourth. It must hurt the poor dears to have to admit it!
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 07:55
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Originally Posted by KnC
... not unsurprising however in a constituency which would vote for an amoeba if it wore a blue rosette.
Oh dear, insulting the electorate again! Hasn't the left learnt that that was the sort of behaviour that got Trump in in the USA? How did Labour do against say the LibDems ... or even UKIP? Oh they both did better than Labour. Let's put it this way, that electorate was far too intelligent to vote Labour!!

I agree with sitigeltfel, those who live off our TV Licence fees must find life very difficult these days, i.e. they have to live off the money taken from people who are ... who are ... more ... right wing than they are!! (They must struggle to get words like that out!)
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Old 9th Dec 2016, 08:08
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Cameron says that populism cost him his job. Populism is the people getting involved in political matters, which is democracy. These elites just don't get it, do they?
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