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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:32
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Possibly, depending on how much notice you take of the recent batch of surveys in which brexiteers are whining about "we didn't vote to leave if it's going to cost us, personally, actual money" (wtf did they think they were voting for then FFS?????).

But one might also point out that if the LibDems were to acquire the support of "only" the 48% remainers (given that all other parties in England are now for #brexit) that would be lots more support than they've had at most points during the last century.
And then the alarm went off and GTW realised it had all been a dream...........
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 19:35
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But one might also point out that if the LibDems were to acquire the support of "only" the 48% remainers
They will be a bit late in 2020. What would be their election strategy, Rejoin the EU?
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 20:10
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Originally Posted by VP959 View Post
The problem we have is that none of the non-UK governing parties (with the possible exception of the SNP) seem to be fit to form an effective opposition, so it's hard to predict what might happen.

Labour hasn't a hope of getting into power fo as long as they have Jeremy Corbyn at the helm, simply because the majority of UK voters are moderates, and are unlikely to vote for an extremist from the left. As mentioned before, it's rather like the Michael Foot years. Foot was a reasonable enough bloke, but his political views were unpalatable for the majority of UK voters, and like Corbyn he had little or no lead
One might have hoped that the LibDems might get their act together, but frankly I can't see that happening without a radical shake up. They lost an enormous amount of credibility during the coalition, and their very strong commitment to being in the EU alienates them to 52% of voters.
It's not actually very much like the Michael Foot years. Labour were sensible enough to balance the amiable old duffer with Denis Healey as deputy. Today we have McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry and a whole plethora of head in the clouds dreamers. People who the voters don't have to be geniuses to realise would at the drop of a hat paddle us up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe.

The 2016 Labour Party has also taken control of the party mechanism, something that they totally failed to do in the eighties when we fought the Militant entryists and prevented them from occupying key positions and getting their hands on the levers of power.

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Old 13th Dec 2016, 06:12
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The road to Tory beatification can be a long one, but, not unobtainable for those who seek this revered position.

Many on here, will, no doubt, break into rapturous applause as Theresa takes the first steps in her quest to become so ordained .....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-bills-cartoon
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Old 13th Dec 2016, 11:04
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Meanwhile back in the real world the religion of peace, love and tolerance has once again been proving its wonderful societal values

Charity warns of FGM 'parties' taking place in England - BBC News

as well as subjugating it's women folk it also adds the extra niceties of sexually mutilating them.

The fact that we are talking thousands of UK victims without 1 single successful prosecution should indicate just how fearful the 'talking heads' are of tackling Islam head on.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 06:33
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Rare, but it can happen, even the BBC makes an "error of judgement "....

Still, this is pretty much in keeping with the events of the rest of 2016 really......

The good news of course, is that we won't have to endure her making an acceptance speech for the award.......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ial-women-list

Still, the verdict will probably inspire Saint ( pending ) Theresa with her vision of the new, "caring" and egalitarian ( Tory interpretation of the term, not the definitive OED version, there is a marked difference ) UK.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 07:57
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Komrad K n C, the 'problem' that you lot are facing is that the current lady, who is in the same post as the lady that you have just complained about, just has no opposition other than from others in her own party. The London Socialist Club (still known as the 'Labour Party') and its minor branches in one or two cities like Manchester can't even get all their own registered members out to vote in some elections, so the only opposition comes from within the governing party's own ranks. (Some will 'gleefully' call this 'splits' in the party, maybe it should be seen as doing a duty to the public that no other party is ready to or able to do?) Without opposition the current lady in that position can go ahead with pretty much what she wishes, and the way things are looking that will be gaining the same levels of support that the previous lady in that post managed to gain with three consecutive election wins. Watch for her name on future 'influential women' lists! And watch the London Socialist Club wind itself into oblivion. I only hope that some credible party emerges with sensible policies to form the next opposition.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 08:37
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The highly amusing thing is that there are still poor delusional folk out there who actually think that Liabour are a credible alternative to a Tory government. Doesn't matter that Bliar marched into office to the DReam hit Things can only get Better and slithered away 13 years later with the 'all the moneys gone note, not forgetting the introduction of food banks and zero hours contracts and that questionable Iraq war.

That people see still Labour as the answer shows a real lack of political comprehension.

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Old 14th Dec 2016, 14:36
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From Guido Fawkes quote of the day......

Boris addressing ambassadors on the record tonight:

“We export cake to France, boomerangs to Australia, sand to Saudi Arabia, we have managed to export Nigel Farage to America – though not in a diplomatic capacity… We are so cosmopolitan that we drink more champagne, more prosecco, buy more German cars than anyone else. And our wonderful Prime Minister actually wears lederhosen!”
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 15:03
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“(...) And our wonderful Prime Minister actually wears lederhosen!”
According to Merriam-Webster, this can be classed as painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another joined with a desire to possess the same advantage.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 20:20
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I can think of a couple of posters on here who will be frothing at that notion.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 20:55
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Depends very much how you read "impact". Looks like a backhanded compliment to me.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 05:16
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" I can think of a couple of posters on here who will be frothing at that notion

And I can think of one who lacked the acumen to read one post before their own in this respect. That, and the perception above has yet to transpire.

Basil,

Tsk ! ......alas, you appear to be living some 24hrs behind old boy...better luck next time....

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Old 15th Dec 2016, 07:22
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Ho ho ho, I didn't bother to watch it either, I worked it out for myself, you don't expect people who have spent their lives following orders to do that do you ?
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 07:53
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I got that one spot on again and when you read the full article as opposed to the 20 second sound bite

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38303886

and when you consider the list of women she topped you can see while the usual frothers frothed

and just for giggles lets throw in this contribution from someones 'bible'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ial-women-list

Way to go Mrs T.

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Old 16th Dec 2016, 11:13
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I see that the LibDems took three council seats from the Tories in Devon yesterday all with massive swings in the order of 30%. Not sure if this is indicative of anything. Brexit?
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 11:48
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I haven't bothered to read that list, since any such table will be entirely subjective and therefore pointless.

I would however agree that Thatcher should come top of any list if the criterion is "the biggest impact on women’s lives over the past seven decades."

Of course, whether that impact was for better or worse isn't specified, as it should have been.

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Old 16th Dec 2016, 12:49
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Great impact for my mum, enabled her as an office worker and my dad, a lorry driver to buy their home, an aspiration they could never have realised but for Mrs T.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 13:48
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Twenty six years after leaving office and she is still getting under the skin of the left. Now, that is an achievement!
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 13:53
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Twenty six years after leaving office and she is still getting under the skin of the left. Now, that is an achievement!
It is truly a joy to behold, every time her name comes up on here I can think of a couple of folk who are going to leap like spawning salmon every time that particular bait is dangled.
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