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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 09:56
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But it does mean that people have to take some responsibility for themselves, which one can well imagine will get howls of disapproval from the vocal left.
Trossie - Just as a FWIW and in case you haven't guessed the system I described - presenting a chipped health care ID card (which the individual should keep updated via official card reader/writers dotted around in hospitals, pharmacies), booking in at hospital reception with an adminers etc, etc takes place in the country that according to some is one of the last bastions of left wing politics and Socialism in Europe. I think it is accepted there exactly because there is still a sense of responsibility, albeit more so to the collective than the individual.

If it is possible there, I'm sure it's possible in the UK ( it won't solve the funding problem but you've got to start somewhere).
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 11:14
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Arms belong to the Monarch, not the State. Combined Scottish/English royal arms have been around since 1603 - over a century before the 1707 Union of Scotland and England which created the unified Kingdom of Great Britain.





These are those of James VI & I, (post 1603), who also used the style King James I of Great Britain, but the "GB" didn't catch on as the Parliament of England objected.


The State version of the combined Royal arms used in Scotland today is thus...





The colour version being...







Therefore, unless Scotland became a republic, the head of State would be the Monarch, and the full Royal arms would continue to be used as they are today;





They're NOT the property of the UK, but the Sovereign.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 11:32
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Anyone else hear the crunch of reverse gear being selected, so Scotlands wants it's Independence but still want to display an emblem on its passports picturing the Welsh, Irish and English symbols?

Sorry Rab but you definitely screwed the pooch with that one.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 11:52
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Arms belong to the Monarch, not the State. Combined Scottish/English royal arms have been around since 1603 - over a century before the 1707 Union of Scotland and England which created the unified Kingdom of Great Britain.
I have highlighted the basic issue if scotland is ever dumb enough to go 'Indy'

They're NOT the property of the UK, but the Sovereign.
So what would be the coat of arms for 'King Nic 1' ?
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 12:09
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I think you have got that wrong rab-k.....

https://exarandorum.wordpress.com/20...dence-updated/
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 13:00
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Up to HMQ to decide the arms, not Scotland/Scottish Govt., provided Scotland choses to keep HMQ as HoS.


Some changes have been approved previously, e.g. Scottish Exec. was changed to Scottish Govt. and Royal approval given to cease to use the State version of the Royal arms. (They being retained by the Scotland Office).










Seldom...


The arms displaying all the symbols you mentioned were used in the independent sovereign state that was the Kingdom of Scotland for 104 years prior to 1707 Union. Technically, there'd be no reason why they wouldn't continue in their current form after Scotland resumed the status of an independent sovereign state.


The Kingdom of Ireland ceased to exist in 1922, whereby the three kingdoms within the Union were reduced to only two, but the Royal arms (and Union Flag) remained unaltered on the grounds of cost and continued to show the symbols of all three kingdoms.


Alternatively, if HMQ sees fit, she may chose to revert to the pre-1603 arms...







But given they haven't been used since 1603, there's no reason why she would do so. In any event, HMQ would decide, not the PM, FM or anyone else.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:13
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Here you go...





But it'd probably look better if it were navy blue, as opposed to standard EU red.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:31
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Why Salmond? They already have a King of Scotland in waiting, as the last one had 40 plus kids



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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:51
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Probably best you get used to this one Rab, it will do you for the rest of your days
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 14:54
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Meanwhile in other news - it seems Mr Trump wants the right to choose the British Ambassidor to America.

That must mean that we have the right to choose the America Ambassidor to the UK, surely?

I choose Barak Obama.

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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 15:04
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What's all this fuss about Nigel being suggested as the British Ambassador in Washington by Trump. I would have though it was a great idea for mainstream British politics. Get him out of the UK, get him out of Europe and let UKIP disintegrate.
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 17:50
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About this "crunch of reverse gears being selected "...

You seem to have missed this reversal...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...a-may-betrayal

Amazing really, given the much promoted claim to be the "party of the working people". ......still, those Tory roots are deeply embedded in her.

But, the best one yet......happily filling the screen on post #7922 is a photograph of....a passport.....and, emblazoned across the top, in case you missed it in your patriotic fervour, are two words.......

European Union

Thanks for promoting the very entity you are so desperate to leave .
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 18:38
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Woman chooses coffee over safeguarding future of The Guardian
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 20:53
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Meanwhile in other news - it seems Mr Trump wants the right to choose the British Ambassidor to America.
The hypocrisy of the Farage stripped bare. He wanders round looking smugger than a very smug thing after the intervention of his mate. You don't need a crystal ball to imagine what his reaction would be if someone such as Frau Merkel had even hinted at who she thought should be British ambassador to anywhere!
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 21:29
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Meanwhile in other news - it seems Mr Trump wants the right to choose the British Ambassidor to America.
How outragous!!!! Except......

Just like Obama having a system to deport immigrants is OK, but Trump is a racist; the Demi-God JFK can ask the UK to appoint a friend as ambassador - but Trump can't?

Did someone mention hypocrisy?


What the Farage ambassador row could mean for UK-US relations - BBC News
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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 22:31
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I'm afraid your suggestion will not be available some three years hence.

But given that in this country 55% voted to remain in the UK, followed by 63% voting to remain in the EU, it is likely that if an accommodation could be found, the majority would prefer this:



Likely a prospect equally attractive to those currently holding one of these:



Should such an accommodation not be found, then...

(perhaps better left to the 'other' thread - back to Nigel...)

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Old 22nd Nov 2016, 22:55
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Farage should be the USA 's ambassador to Europe
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 10:02
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Not a Kinnock fan in the slightest but Kinnock the Younger could be onto something here

Labour Must Stop 'Obsessing' About Diversity, Says Stephen Kinnock | The Huffington Post

usual Lefty suspects will be along to poo poo it shortly no doubt.
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 16:35
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Diversity can quickly become Division .
Yugoslavia is a perfect example of how quickly enforced tolerance can disappear .
The same fear factors are being used by some to destroy the Unity of what is left of the United Kingdom .
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Old 23rd Nov 2016, 17:14
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Farage should be the USA 's ambassador to Europe
Europe? I think not - it would be a waste of his obvious talents. I see him as the perfect British Consul.

In Aleppo.

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