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Old 6th May 2016, 06:36
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The Tories cheated......... whatever next ? Bears found to be having a dump in areas of dense forestation ? The Pope taking communion ?
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Old 6th May 2016, 06:55
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CPS statement...

“Following a constructive meeting with the police and Electoral Commission, it has been agreed that each relevant police force will consider what action to take.
This may Include making an application to the court under s.176 of the Representations of the People Act 1983 to extend the time allowed to bring a prosecution.”
Conspiracy? Here, make yourself a nice cosy hat!

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Old 6th May 2016, 08:04
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What a peculiar rant. What provoked that? Anyone would have thought there had been a big swing to the Tories in Scotland.

Oh, hang on........
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Old 6th May 2016, 08:05
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" Conspiracy? Here, make yourself a nice cosy hat! "

Siti......now what conspiracy would this be then ?

You probably don't watch C4 News, and the programme isn't exactly on the viewing list of many on here, despite it's excellent content and journalists, but if you had, what has been emerging in the various reports has been revelatory as to how the Tory party operated in order to gain seats.

Equally interesting have been the responses to valid questions, albeit questions that the recipients don't like being posed.....which is strange really, if, as they exhort, everything was perfectly in order.
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Old 6th May 2016, 08:31
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Oh yeah, The media are always covering up for the Conservatives and never ever try to catch them out or expose any slightest misdeed except er always! Obviously not a lot in this or it would be wall to wall coverage.
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Old 6th May 2016, 09:02
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Er, if you bother to read a newspaper, listen to the Radio or watch TV, you will see this issue everywhere.
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Old 6th May 2016, 09:14
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Proone - The OP says it is nowhere,
The mainstream media has largely ignored one of the biggest election scandals Britain has ever seen
I am suggesting the story is out there, as you state but largely ignored as it might not be the big scandal some believe.
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Old 6th May 2016, 09:52
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Of course the Tories cheat with election spending: look at how much of our taxpayers' money was spent by them on that propaganda leaflet about the EU that was sent out before spending limits would apply...
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Old 6th May 2016, 10:27
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BREAKING: Gloucestershire Police investigate Tory election expense scandal | Western Daily Press

Of course, an allegation does not mean that a complaint will be pursued.
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Old 6th May 2016, 11:12
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Well bless my soul! Politicians fiddling expenses! Whoever would have thought it?
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Old 6th May 2016, 12:40
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Found any other threads to post this on ? Two I've seen so far. Talk about clutching at straws for something to feel good about
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Old 6th May 2016, 12:56
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On the subject of election fraud

Prior to and election a "community leader" will scan the electoral register and visit members of his community that are not registered.
He will arrange for them to be registered and apply for postal votes on their behalf.
As many of them do not understand the language, he will offer to fill in the postal voting forms and ensure they are delivered to the proper place.

This is when an amazing event occurs; a member of that aforesaid community will win the election, if not the leader himself!

Little miracles like that have been happening in certain areas and yet no one seems to understand how it happens!
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Old 6th May 2016, 13:25
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I don't think the public has yet twigged that Seamus Milne and his acolyte Jeremy Corbyn have a limited interest in the Labour Party as a political entity. They're both committed to the doctrines of Lev Bronstein, aka Trotsky and to them, the PLP is nothing more than a Trojan Horse.
As is illustrated in Alan Bullock's book 'Parallel Lives', there's not much practical difference between different breeds of extreme socialism. The destruction of certain elements of society and the justification for that exercise are inherent in both.
Jeremy Corbyn doesn't care about the PLP. He has a different agenda altogether and so far he's doing quite a decent job of putting that plot into practice.
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Old 6th May 2016, 15:50
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Whilst agreeing with your analysis what could he possibly achieve? Levels of support for Labour are at best around 30 per cent and come a General Election Labour would probably hold most of their Northern seats as well as London where they are bolstered by the ethnic vote. Most likely lose a few tens of seats elsewhere and would do very well to end up with 200.
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Old 6th May 2016, 16:01
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Political revolutionaries don't seem, historically speaking, to need a rationale for anything they've done in the past, especially in Tsarist Russia before and after 1917.
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Old 6th May 2016, 19:12
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Asked today to comment on Labours election results, Corbyn said, "We hung on!"

If hanging on is the best you can achieve at this point in the political cycle there is something drastically wrong with your party, which is supposed to be the official opposition.
I wonder how long they will take to decide that hanging on is not good enough and instead, hang you out to dry.
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Old 6th May 2016, 21:46
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If hanging on is the best you can achieve at this point in the political cycle there is something drastically wrong with your party, which is supposed to be the official opposition.
"We hung on" was an unfortunate turn of phrase for Jeremy Corbyn to use - a blunder more experienced political leaders would not have made.
SOP is to claim to be very happy with the results, regardless of the reality. Corbyn appears to tell it as he sees it, and either hasn't yet learnt spin or refuses to play that game. Like or loathe his political views, he has a long history of saying what he thinks - unlike many politicians of all hues.

I agree the results don't bode well for Labour in 2020 but their results in Scotland and Wales were predictable regardless of leader and those in England weren't the disaster widely forecast by Corbyn's critics - including those in his own party who constantly undermine him.

Still awaiting confirmation in London, but it looks as if the Conservatives' smear campaign/personal attacks against Sadiq Khan have backfired.

Interesting that UKIP continues to 'hang on', despite the constant personal attacks on their candidates and concerted efforts to damage their credibility as a party.

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Old 7th May 2016, 05:00
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" Interesting that UKIP continues to 'hang on', despite the constant personal attacks on their candidates and concerted efforts to damage their credibility as a party "

It is interesting to see UKIP " hanging on " as you say. This despite their lack of credibility as a party and their own internal capacity to damage this credibility with little or no outside involvement.

However, along with the "administrative error" excuse, which is as fatuous as it gets, there was an entertaining ( for me ) revelation last night on C4 last night with the names of other MP's being revealed.

Included in which was the one Tory MP I have actually had the misfortune to know personally, albeit he wasn't at the time. He did have all the essential criteria however, selfish, self-aggrandizing and generally out of touch with the world.

It will be entertaining to follow his progress in this matter, and, hopefully, his demise.
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Old 7th May 2016, 08:15
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Krystal

Do you agree that, for a party in Government at this stage of the political cycle, the Tories did well in England?
If yes, to what do you attribute their success?

If you are able to be objective, what is your objective assessment of the results generally?

This despite their (UKIP) lack of credibility as a party
I suppose it depends upon what one means by 'credibility as a party'.
When assessing that, I put aside whether I agree or disagree, wholly or in part, with a party's policies.
If it is a small party, I also put aside whether it has the capacity to win control of a council or to form a Government.
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Old 7th May 2016, 08:36
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Yes, I am able to be both objective and subjective.

To answer your questions therefore, based on the figures below, I would say that, at this stage in Gov't, the Tory party maintained a political equilibrium as indeed did Labour.

UK elections 2016 at a glance: the key points and results | Politics | The Guardian

That said, in Scotland, their success must be attributed in no small part to their charismatic leader, a lady who is refreshingly different and whom I have no doubt will be making a significant political career for herself.

The internecine disputes within Labour are not helping the party's resurgence however, despite their success, which was nice to see although you may disagree, in London.

The loss of seats in Wales however, certainly to UKIP, and the rather unexpected result in the Rhonda should serve to focus the minds in London...but probably won't.
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