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Old 12th Feb 2016, 08:21
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Hunt stated the UK needs a seven days a week health service. This already exists.
Not in my experience. My son had loss of sensational in an arm and went to A & E on a Friday afternoon. Although they detained him they could not do an MRI scan until Monday. Immediately after the scan they strapped him to the bed and performed an emergency operation to remove a disc or two. All ended well but in different circumstances the outcome could have been much more serious.

On another occasion a few years earlier he managed to impale a foot on an iron fence (please don't ask why!) - they could not patch him up for 24 hours because an operating theatre was not available.

That said I have nothing but praise for the NHS and it's staff but please don't kid ourselves that it really offers cover 24/7.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 08:58
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.....but that Hunt creature specially makes me skin crawl, he has the weird eyes of someone mad as a shithouse rat, a right shifty cove he is who drips slime where ever he goes.......
I think you're being unnecessarily polite Mr D.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 09:29
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Energy policy - re "green" policies, phasing out coal, not ordering new nuclear - has been a major fault of both the Blair/Brown as well as Cameron administrations, but never been highly political. That might be about to change this year.

From Tim Worstall. Other people know much more about electricity supply than I do

"So thus this email from Simon Hobson:
Spotted an oddity on BM Reports (n e t a | Electricity Summary Page) regarding the long term surplus. According to the graph currently shown, we are due a shortfall of over 1GW late this year – see attached. Week 49 has a deficit of 950MW, week 50 a deficit of 1040, week 51 is -565, and week 2 next year, -242. Week 52 shows a good surplus – but I suspect that’s because all the offices and factories will be shut over Christmas.

I’m thinking it may just be a glitch in the data, but if true then could an interesting story to pick up on. Of course, for consumers it probably doesn’t mean lights going out, but it does mean industrial disruption as interruptible supplies get invoked on large consumers of lecky. Not to mention, some diesel generators getting run !


Wow, it seems like it’s not a glitch.

Looking at the graph today, I see 14 (yes, fourteen) weeks with a deficit forecast – with the largest forecast deficit now up to 3434MW in week 50 !

Looking down to the forecast long term capacity by fuel type, it seems there’s a big drop (about 7GW) in coal from end of March/early April – part of which will be the Ferry Bridge shutdown recently announced. More will be the Fiddlers Ferry shutdown announced last year.

So I guess there’ll be a lot of factory shutdowns happening over winter then as interruptible supplies get called on.
That Ed Davey and Ed Miliband would **** up trying to plan something has always been obvious. But is this really where we are, with factories closing because there’s no power to run them?

And wouldn’t a carbon tax have been a better idea?
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

Hunt stated the UK needs a seven days a week health service. This already exists.
Partially true, but you know that

Next stop is to get the whole of the NHS up and running 24/7 which will make it very interesting for Consultants
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 09:47
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The problem as I see it is that the junior doctors are being told they must work more periods of unsociable hours and weekends but for the same pay.
Hunt is demanding that only hours after 10pm are unsociable.
MPs really do grip my wick.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 09:57
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Lots of people work 'unsociable hours' for the same amount of pay. Are there Pilots, Engineers, ground or cabin crew on this aviation focused site who claim extra pay for their time. The vast majority - no.

Society has changed. Weekends are no-longer biblical requirements. I word in dates rather than days. Days are meaningless, whether I work Monday to Friday or Thursday to Monday is irrelevant, I get paid the same.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 10:19
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Pc767.
I get shift pay if any part of my normal working hours are outside 7AM to 7PM.
The shift pay varies depending on whether it's a weekday or weekend.
Furthermore, after 8PM and up to 1AM I get unsociable hours pay. After 1AM I get night shift premium pay.
Saturday nights get a higher premium.
Sunday day work gets a premium.

Overtime on most weekdays is time and a half x basic pay.
Sunday's it's time and two thirds x basic pay. Same for statutory holidays.

This is pretty normal and not unreasonable.

I don't think doctors or nurses deserve any less.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 10:32
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Orac,

Check out this website and see how much green energy provides. All those fousands of turbines and a measly 4% even on a reasonable day. then click on the French part of the site, the difference is startling!

U.K. National Grid status
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 11:29
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Lots of people work 'unsociable hours' for the same amount of pay.
Indeed true, but fewer of them were getting overtime rates that were then changed to standard rates at the behest of the employer. The argument that some people get hammered in that way so no one should complain about it merely fuels the 'race to the bottom' that is often complained about on this site.

What makes it an even more volatile issue is that most of those affected are in the earlier stages of their careers, when spare income is at a minimum, so a unilateral cut in wages is often difficult to deal with, to put it mildly.

Bottom line is that Jeremy *unt wants something for nothing. He wants the kudos of setting the NHS for 24/7 operation, but doesn't want to pay for it. If he wanted to do it properly he would also be taking on consultants, but he knows that he would lose to many to private practice or abroad if he did that.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 12:30
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Aside from the issues involved, I think the doctors are behaving in a most unprofessional manner.
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Old 12th Feb 2016, 12:37
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If he wanted to do it properly he would also be taking on consultants,
On R4 yesterday, Hunt confirmed that this is next on the list.

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Old 12th Feb 2016, 18:55
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Junior Doctor's weekend pay

Please can someone indicate how much it is possible in money for a junior doctor to earn in a weekend?
I have heard in theory it is possible to be over a grand!

However all I can find in the media etc is the salaries paid and extra for overtime but no actual figures.

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Old 16th Feb 2016, 09:01
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Jeremy Corbyn pledges to nationalise Hornby
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Old 12th Apr 2016, 09:53
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UK inflation 'doubles'.

UK inflation rate 'doubles'.
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Old 12th Apr 2016, 12:32
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Energy policy - re "green" policies, phasing out coal, not ordering new nuclear - has been a major fault of both the Blair/Brown as well as Cameron administrations,
Did the Thatcher government do anything about nuke energy (other than Sizewell) in its 18 years? Oh, and we know she was big on coal!

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Old 12th Apr 2016, 16:38
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Mike6567,

I chose the Guardian rather than the DM or "right wing" press, so those on the left would give the figure some credibility.

NHS paying locum doctors £1,760 a day to cover chronic staff shortages | Society | The Guardian

£1760 for a weekend shift. I can understand why they wouldn't want to be rostered for their day job.........

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Old 12th Apr 2016, 17:00
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I am rather puzzled by all these temporary staff hired by the NHS.

At my local hospital, there is an nursing agency office directly opposite. It advertises for nurses. Obviously it is tempting nurses to leave their NHS employment and sign up for agency work. The hospital then has to go to the agency to get temporary staff to fill the vacancies it has created. The nurses might even be going back to the same positions they left.
The same thing may be happening with doctors.

Is there no way to break the circle?
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Old 12th Apr 2016, 19:54
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Yes. Simply tell them that if they resign they cannot work in or for the NHS for, say, five years. Or ever again. That ought to do it.
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Old 13th Apr 2016, 13:37
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You could not make this stuff up

To earn more, study medicine or economics, says IFS - BBC News

puts the junior Dr's 'claims' into perspective
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Old 25th Apr 2016, 17:59
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British Home Stores.

The demise of British Home Stores so soon after it was sold to the current owners for £1 raises eyebrows.

The previous owner apparently paid £200M for it then extracted twice that figure in dividends and left a similar amount (£500M) of deficit in the pension fund from its previous profitable position before offloading the company.

Since May 2000, the Green family and other shareholders have taken £586m out of BHS.
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