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Old 26th Nov 2015, 10:59
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Bombing Syria.

Who is coordinating the bombing of targets in Syria?

If Britain joins in, will they be free to decide what targets they bomb?
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 11:57
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The death of the Labour Party whilst initially amusing for this ex-Lib Dem party member, is worrying for the long term.

Giving the Tories free reign for the next 10-15 years is not something anyone with a sense of decency should look forward to.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 12:19
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Originally Posted by BillHicksRules View Post
The death of the Labour Party whilst initially amusing for this ex-Lib Dem party member, is worrying for the long term.

Giving the Tories free reign for the next 10-15 years is not something anyone with a sense of decency should look forward to.
I consider myself a thoroughly decent chap, served my country for 38 1/4 years, pay my taxes, honest as the day is long, polite, considerate and helpful. Please explain to me why it is wrong for me to want Tory longevity 🤔
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 13:01
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Please explain to me why it is wrong for me to want Tory longevity 🤔
Nothing to do with party allegiance - it's because British politics have proven over the last 30 years that if they stay in power for more than 5 years they become fat, lazy and totally corrupt. The end of the Thatcher and Blair years were more like African dictatorships. They thought they were invincible and ran the country based on their own whims, the electorate didn't even feature.

Because the UK is following the US in this infantile binary approach "I am a conservative/liberal so anything a liberal/conservative says is invalid and must be discredited" it is also losing it's ability to govern effectively. Laughing at Corbyn doesn't actually do much about refugees or global uncertainty, but most of the press coverage is given over to these child-like antics.

The only thing that keeps these bastards relatively honest and remembering who put them in power is to kick their arses every 4-5 years and remind them. 15 years of any government is guaranteed to bring out the worst in any party. Without exception.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 14:49
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Two's......

Yup. Spot on.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 15:30
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So you are saying that after this term in Govt we should oust the Tories and put Labour or the Lib's into office because it's healthy for democracy....
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 23:02
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SFFP - No I dont think he is saying that. I think that what he is saying that whichever party is in power, an effective opposition makes for healthy politics. At the present we most certainly do not have an effective opposition, that job has in effect been handed over to The House of Lords, which is not how things should work.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 00:06
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Not sure I agree with that, a very small majority means that the Tories have to think long and hard about how they try to bring things to fruition, a look at the current 'lets bomb Syria' issue shows that.

One could happily argue a small majority is all that is needed to keep the Gov't in check.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 10:05
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Syria will be the spark for an open Labour rebellion
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 11:24
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The gift that keeps on giving..................

Jeremy Corbyn told to resign by Labour MPs as Syria vote engulfs his leadership - Telegraph

Last week was nowhere close to the worst of Labour's history. This week has surpassed it in so many ways - Telegraph

John McDonnell 'joked about shooting Labour councillors opposed to IRA in the kneecaps' - Telegraph



even K&Cs favourite newspaper is grudgingly admitting to a slight level of discord;

Labour leadership in turmoil over vote on UK military action in Syria | Politics | The Guardian

I'm getting really concerned that they might actually have the balls to stand up to him and force him out. I do hope not, this is is better than vaudeville.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 12:00
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Iím actually beginning to feel sorry for poor old Jezza. Much as I enjoy seeing the Labour Party imploding, heís so clearly hopelessly out of his depth that Iím beginning to wonder whether keeping him in his current position would be an act of cruelty.

He really belongs on the backbenches, where he can take a principled stand on issues close to his heart without having to take responsibility for the political consequences.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 12:27
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The gift that keeps on giving..................

To adjust for accuracy The git that keeps on giving
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 13:49
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He also has a peculiar habit of choosing very strange Ministers.

So we have a choice of a bunch of Trots or a bunch of Eton educated f***wits.

All we need is for Trump to change his nationality.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 16:32
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Just on the general point of needing a strong opposition to keep the government (relatively) honest, the first passed the post system in use over there makes that less likely. Proportional representation leads to a far more diverse parliament, where coalition governments are far more likely, but that comes with it's own disadvantages. With a majority government, I always assumed that things that needed to be done got done without any fuss, E.G. LHR 3, but clearly that isn't the case!
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 22:59
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 23:22
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Proportional representation and coalition government..........a much better way, helps to keep power out of the politian's hands...
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Old 28th Nov 2015, 05:07
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As those on the right may have conveniently chosen, if in fact they were actually aware, to overlook those much vaunted Tory "values and principles", here's a little reminder of how their development commences and subsequently develops.

Tory chairmen should quit over bullying scandal - activist's father | Politics | The Guardian
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Old 28th Nov 2015, 08:58
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Sort of dwarfed by the bullying going on inside the Labour Party, isn't it?
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Old 28th Nov 2015, 10:06
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So we have a choice of a bunch of Trots or a bunch of Eton educated f***wits.
A-O - other than the Prime Minister, please name me one member of the cabinet who was educated at Eton. I think I'm in for a long wait for an answer.

One the other hand almost half of them are Oxford or Cambridge educated, although surely nobody would object to our ministers being drawn from those who attended one of the top ten universities in the world.
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Old 28th Nov 2015, 10:16
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Have no fear!! Even while these trivial matters are being discussed, Jeremy's chosen cohort have their finger on the pulse of what matters to the common proletariat........

Fishermen should be 'fishers' to be 'gender neutral', says vegan shadow environment secretary Kerry McCarthy
By Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent 5:35PM GMT 27 Nov 2015

Members of the public should stop using the expression “fishermen” because it is sexist, according a member of Jeremy Corbyn’s frontbench team.

The party’s Shadow Environment Secretary Kerry McCarthy was ridiculed for suggesting on Twitter that Britons should not use the word “fishermen”. She wrote on Twitter: "Shouldn't say fishermen but "fishers" sounds wrong as a gender neutral alternative?"

Users of Twitter struggled to find alternative suggestions, such as “fishing folk”, “fisherdudes”, “codbotherers” and “fish stranglers”.

Charles Walker, a senior Tory MP, said: “I am sure her statement on this matter will be met with some agricultural comments from fishermen and women. How such utterances advance the English commercial fishing fleet, I don’t know. With every one of its meaningless utterances Labour is losing its mandate to be taken seriously across the country and countryside.".................

Earlier this year Ms McCarthy sparked criticism when she compared eating meat to smoking cigarettes. Ms McCarthy told Viva! Life magazine: “I really believe that meat should be treated in exactly the same way as tobacco, with public campaigns to stop people eating it.”
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