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Old 12th Jun 2015, 20:49
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Should Scotland be given full fiscal autonomy then the southbound carriages of the A1 and the M78 will be jammed with taxpayers; myself included.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 20:50
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Mr Robertson has said the SNP will table a Scotland Bill amendment for fiscal autonomy, but it is believed this will call for the policy to be achieved in the “medium term” with no indication of the length of the delay.
An SNP chappie was put through the wringer by Andrew Neill today, for refusing to say when they would go for FFA; only that it would be 'at a time of the SNP's choosing'. Neill pressed the point that, if they are so keen, why not immediately?

The guy was floundering. (Didn't catch his name.)

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Old 12th Jun 2015, 22:00
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Tommy Sheppard, one of her new intake of MPs, warned it would be an economic “disaster” if it was implemented immediately.
Is this SNP MP therefore saying that independence under a Yes vote would have been a "disaster"?

Very candid!

Telling that Angus does not want an independant assessment of the consequences of FFA.

Surely alarm bells are ringing in any rational mind at these statements?
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 22:35
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An SNP chappie ... was floundering.... (Didn't catch his name.)

'Twas one Alyn Smith, MEP - got his own website and a page on Wiki with his pic.
I too enjoyed that bit of today's telly!
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 08:29
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For the many on here who are detractors of Gordon Brown..., to balance the books as it were, an article that should set alarm bells ringing....

Academics attack George Osborne budget surplus proposal | Business | The Guardian

With George's new found enthusiasm for Mr Micawber, you have to wonder if he is even remotely aware if the financial state of many football clubs who seem to operate in a totally unique financial world with regard to debt levels that would render other sectors bankrupt.

Best of luck with your intentions there then George.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 11:48
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For the many on here who are detractors of Gordon Brown
I think that we would be very hard pushed indeed to identify any one of the currents ills in our society that is not directly attributable to the incompetence and destructive political malevolence applied by Gordon Brown to the success of the United Kingdom during his unelected premiership.
Fortunately we can now look forward to a period ( say 50 years) of financial stability, a realignment of priorities in society and the tranquillity that comes with competent governance and low taxation.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 12:15
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From the Scotsman this morning;-


A Downing Street source said: “Sir Edward’s amendment is the acid test for the SNP over whether they will back their own policy on full fiscal autonomy.
“The SNP’s own amendment is [so] caveated and confused that it clearly is aimed at not getting full fiscal autonomy and then trying to complain about it afterwards.”
Labour’s shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray said: “The First Minister gave a commitment during the general election that her MPs would vote for full fiscal autonomy this year.
“The SNP has submitted an amendment to the Scotland Bill that fudges the issue as they know their central manifesto promise is economically illiterate. The Conservative amendment would effectively deliver the SNPs full fiscal autonomy promise by 10pm on Monday.”
He went on: “The SNP are desperately rowing back on their key manifesto promise to the Scottish people as they simply can’t explain how they would fill the independently assessed £10bn funding black hole.
“Labour always said that the worst possible scenario for Scotland was the SNP demanding full fiscal autonomy and a Conservative majority government delivering it for them.”
He added: “They must be honest with the Scottish people and admit this would be a disaster for our schools, hospitals and pensions. They claim to be standing up for Scotland but they could be within days of selling Scotland down the river with their full fiscal folly. They have no economic credibility left.”
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 15:30
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Its a tricky one, as FFA would be a disaster, but the SNP are sort of demanding it and they can argue with 56/59 seats they have a mandate for it. Of course they don't really want it, it is probably just the usual excuse to blame others in line with 'them' and 'us' nationalism.

On the other hand, irrespective of the 56/59, the tories would be cruel surely to push them in a corner on FFA? The majority wanted to stay in the UK in Sept ref, and it could be assume they didn't want FFA & the woes of a £10Bn deficit hole.

Perhaps the best option is to comprehensively call the SNP bluff on FFA, and use to blow more holes (if that is possible) in the white paper.

It will be interesting to see what the targets & messages at Holyrood are next year.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 16:17
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Gordon Brown has realised the dangerous position that the SNP has created for Scotland, only he is rather unfairly blaming the Tories. Up until recently the SNP were loudly predicting the defeat of the Tories in Westminster and telling us how they were planning to introduce their socialist utopia throughout the UK. By voting for the SNP in such overwhelming numbers, the Scots have hitched their wagons to the economic abyss that the SNP are pushing for, the Scots must have considered what the repercussions of their votes would be, ......didn't they?


Writing for the Guardian, Mr Brown said the support for the Scottish Nationalists should not be misunderstood as a boost in backing for independence, explaining the result as a desire by Scottish voters to be "represented as Scots".
However the former Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath MP, who stood down at the election, warned the future of the Union still hangs in the balance.
“If the United Kingdom collapses, it will not be because a majority of Scots are hell-bent on leaving but because the UK government is giving up on saving it,” Mr Brown wrote.
“No union can survive without unionists and, after an election in which, to head off Ukip, the Conservative and Unionist party presented itself as the English Nationalist party, it is clear that the union is on life support.”
He criticised David Cameron’s push to give English MPs a “veto” over English-only laws and the SNP’s push to give Scotland a similar “double lock” on the EU referendum.
It comes after the Prime Minister pledged to settle the West Lothian Question – why Scottish MPs can vote on laws that only affect the English – the morning after Scotland voted to stay in the UK.
“In a tit – for-tat retaliation to the SNP playing the Scottish card, the Conservatives are playing the English card,” Mr Brown said
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 21:10
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Looks like the bluff calling has started - proposal to fast track FFA, SNP start to back track.....

SNP challenged by Labour to back Tory bid to fast-track full fiscal autonomy for Holyrood | Herald Scotland




Other amendments to the Bill seek to:

*ensure Holyrood could only be abolished with the consent of the Scottish Parliament and a referendum in Scotland(SNP);


Are they getting nervous about their gravy train? Surely no one doubts Sturgeon deserves to be paid more than Cameron? Interesting thing to talk about though isn't it? Talking about things usually raises the risk of them happening, so heres hoping they carry on.
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 21:18
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I notice the usual suspects have gone very quiet now that the penny is finally about to drop. I predicted months ago that the Tory machine was playing the long game and that the SNP were eventually going to trip themselves up
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Old 13th Jun 2015, 21:44
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“If the United Kingdom collapses, it will not be because a majority of Scots are hell-bent on leaving but because the UK government is giving up on saving it,” Mr Brown wrote.
The United Kingdom won't collapse if the Scots leave.

“In a tit – for-tat retaliation to the SNP playing the Scottish card, the Conservatives are playing the English card,” Mr Brown said
Obviously, that is why they were voted for by the majority in the United Kingdom so enthusiastically in the recent election.
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Old 15th Jun 2015, 11:51
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Old 20th Jun 2015, 08:39
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The SNP, Expenses, Qatar and the FBI.....

Donald Where’s Your Bomb Belt?

From the hot-bed of Islamophobia and routine discrimination which is Inverness comes reports of an unnamed Muslim man a grenade pin breadth away from joining ISIS. Speaking to the Press and Journal, Habib Malik said:
“This is deeply worrying. Previously we had Rakib*, which was a huge shock. I don’t know the circumstances of the Inverness case, but any element of radicalisation of someone in Inverness is just shocking. In a global village, with the internet, it is so easy now for individuals living in remote areas to connect with other parts of the world and get hooked up with the wrong club. It’s disturbing.” He added: “Parents try to keep an eye on their children, especially with the internet and so many communication channels available nowadays. It is difficult to monitor.”
* Rakib is Abdul Rakib Amin, another Jacobite Jihadi reported in July 2014 to have been killed in Syria. The P&J says his father is a close friend of the self-described community leader, Malik.

Another point to note about Malik is that in the accompanying photograph for the P&J, he is wearing a gillet with an Islamic Relief logo. Unlike “Rakib”, Islamic Relief at least makes a pretence at being charity workers.

Separately from these current reports, a name which might not be immediately recognizable to Harry’s Place readers is the Minister for International Development and Europe in the Scottish Government, Humza Yousaf. One name which should be is a cousin, Osama Saeed last seen here doing a bunk to Qatar – as head of PR for al-Jazeera – after sucking-up hundreds of thousands of tax-payers’ money for the Ikhwani fan-group, the Scottish-Islamic Foundation (note the hyphenation).

From March 2013, Yousaf can be seen promoting and offering yet more public money to Islamic Relief; assisted by the now deputy leader of the SNP, Stewart Hosie. What this press-release does not make clear is that his fellow Dundee constituency MSP Shona Robison is, in fact, his wife; as so many SNP elected representatives are closely related.

Shortly after promoting Islamic Relief above, Yousaf and his entrouage (including his own wife) travelled to Qatar for a “trade trip”. Quite what Scotland had to offer is unclear, given that Qatar does not need oil and is unlikely to publicly accept whisky or haggis. It is unclear if he visiting his cousin because he himself is even more unclear on what he actually did there, having grudgingly admitted that no diary entries exist for this junket. Quick to blame lowly admin staff for whom the buck should stop well after, he has offered some commentary on raising the issue of migrant workers in Qatar. Recall that it was flunkies who finally leaked details of the Westminster expenses scandal to the national press after they saw just how liberal the great and merely powerful in Parliament were with our money.

It would be interesting to go back over SNP documents to see when they first became concerned about this because reports from this time do not mention this in great detail. And any I expect any document offered in evidence to be clearly date-stamped lest suspicions of their falsifying press-releases occur. Perhaps there is more on Twitter, which Yousaf assures us was used to announce the trip; and of course Twitter now is an official newsfeed for the Scottish Government.

Yousaf has insisted that this is “not the work of the Illuminati or the Knights Templar”, and:
The reason given at the time of that press report absolutely stands – that there was a clerical error not just on that visit but on a number of visits, and I accept that point. Now it takes time, of course, for that clerical error to be rectified, so we will hopefully publish that updated list soon.
To be honest, my first thought is that this wideboy has got a whiff of other people’s money and was making the most of it in the same way Alex Salmond managed to ‘‘forget" about £54k on his entourage’s trip to the Ryder Cup in 2012. This included almost £6k spent on the first night for a steak dinner. Was the entire beef herd of Illinois on the table?

This grovelling tone is in stark contrast to the normal vituperition which comes from Yousaf et al. I almost would say he is worried about something. Hey, wait a minute, is the FBI not getting interested in dirty deals done in and around Qatar?
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 11:57
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Tax income and the Laffer Curve. Tax income since the government abolished the 50% tax rate. Hardly surprising considering the historical record after the 80/90% rates of the 60s/70s were abolished.

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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 12:35
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Fortunately we can now look forward to a period ( say 50 years) of financial stability, a realignment of priorities in society and the tranquillity that comes with competent governance and low taxation.
Really? Wanna bet? Two cycles, 3 tops, and there will be a vote 'for a change'.

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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 14:23
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CG, you are probably correct, the max seems to be 13 years, or 3 terms, by then the governing party always seems to have run out of steam, get themselves in a scandal concerning expenses or consumed by in fighting, or maybe all three.
I think this may be different, the EU referendum will create some strong opinions and will inevitably disappoint those who wish to stay in or leave and have their wishes overruled. Additionally the economy could crash again, and together with an ineffective opposition to keep check of things the Tories may go overboard on the cuts which could backfire.
The EU vote will be the thing that makes or breaks this government I think.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 15:09
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Blair would definitely have won again in 2010 and most likely again this time.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 16:13
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I don't think so, not when his part in the Iraq war was completely understood.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 19:33
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The Iraq war was a mistake. However it didn't play big with much of the electorate. Clegg would have been falling over himself to do a deal with Blair.
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