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Old 2nd May 2010, 23:20
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Brown was Navigator then Capt of the ship when it hit the rocks
Maybe, but who blew up the tempest to throw him there?
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Old 2nd May 2010, 23:27
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I don't think it is. A minority government? Possible - but they will then need the minority parties to work with them to get anything through.
A hung parliament that needs minority parties to survive is a crock even before it gets off the ground and definitely not something to be desired.

My point is that whatever the media say you can rest assured that they are underplaying any chance of a Tory outright victory, a big generalisation but media are generally left of centre and not Tory supporters.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 05:23
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My point is that whatever the media say you can rest assured that they are underplaying any chance of a Tory outright victory, a big generalisation but media are generally left of centre and not Tory supporters.
That is a huge generalisation!

All News International outlets (The Sun, The Times, Sky News) are overtly supporting the Tories, but even they cannot see a Conservative majority.

On A Roll Or Rolling Back? | Boulton & Co. | Sky News Blogs

Even the Daily Mail expects a minority government
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Old 3rd May 2010, 06:52
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That is the problem, the media have immense persuasive powers and they are simply not using them to guide the uncertain electorate away from dead-loss Labour and no-point Liberals.

What the UK needs now, more than anything, is a strong one party Government. One can only hope that before next Thursday the swinging voters appreciate that Labour is gone and that a vote for the Liberals is a vote wasted. Otherwise the country is set for an uncertain period of stagnation, something it can ill afford.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 08:03
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Boris winding up the Labour party. The interesting thing is that he is already looking past the election and Labour losing as a foregone conclusion.

General Election 2010: Gordon Brown is a goner - bring on Peter Mandelson
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Old 3rd May 2010, 10:22
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That is the problem, the media have immense persuasive powers and they are simply not using them to guide the uncertain electorate away from dead-loss Labour and no-point Liberals.
Please tell me you are joking!

Gawd forbid that the news outlets just give us the facts and let us make up our own minds eh?

Oh, I forgot. We are not worthy.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 11:42
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I wish the newspapers and the TV would just give us the facts and let us make up our own mids but those days are long gone I'm afraid.

There are no reporters anymore only journalists who all have a story to tell and an agenda. Ideally we should be able to use them to spread the right message!
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Old 3rd May 2010, 11:46
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Gottinhimmel Parabellum!!
Fire up the panzer, I am sure there must be a bierhalle that you can have a bit of rabble rousing in.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 11:55
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" One can only hope that before next Thursday the swinging voters appreciate that Labour is gone and that a vote for the Liberals is a vote wasted. Otherwise the country is set for an uncertain period of stagnation "

Couple of little points here...delete stagnation..insert....decimation..... IF..Dimples Dave gets in.

Now, despite your assertation about the media and influence etc, it is I think, reasonable to assume that most people are influenced by the media to a greater or lesser extent.

I thus agree it would be nice to see Labour depart......for now. If, another big if I know, they have any sense, then once in opposition they have a long overdue purge ( sadly, UK laws do not actually allow the Stalin concept of purging ) and once the deadwood has gone...and I really do not believe that the Cabinet consists of the best MP's Labour can produce..there has to be more talent around surely ?..they regroup..before watching it all fall round Daves cherubic ears as the decimation, and with the Tory's that is exactly what will transpire..forget, unless you are wholly gulible that is, the "Nu Conservative"..voter and society friendly etc...if they get into power, then the old habits will resurrect themselves faster than Lazarus..remember, power and the abuse of power is everything to the Tory party, their equivalent of multiple orgasms in fact ( just lowering the tone here re sex ) and it will not be a pleasant time for the majority of the UK populace....which, if Labour have any sense will be duly exploited...note, the term sense may be problematic here I suppose.... based on current examples that is.

With all the fervour of a flagellant, the public sector will be shredded to pieces under Cameron and Co.....replaced no doubt by that true Tory mantra...the wonderful "free market" and private enterprise ....which should make for some interesting times in the future when people realise they have been well and truly worked over...and not entirely due to Nu Labour.

Trusting a Tory.. and Tory promises..... is a bit like walking up to a pack of hungry salt water crocodiles.....there's only ever going to be one result in the encounter.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 11:56
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Ideally we should be able to use them to spread the right message!
OK, I'll bite. Do please define "right message" for me Mr Parabellum. Presumably you don't mean "message of the right"?
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Old 3rd May 2010, 13:36
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This quote from Krystal N Chips I can comment on from experience....


"With all the fervour of a flagellant, the public sector will be shredded to pieces under Cameron and Co"


Have you not noticed what ZANU Labour has been up to? Thousands of Civil Servants made redundant under the 'efficiency' drives from our current government - The redundancies have not reduced the number of equality and PR posts available and -despite Broon's assurances - have hit front line services.

To give you an example of 1 such 'efficiency', I work in law enforcement, we have been told that we are losing 8% of our staff every year for the next 3 years. This will reduce our ability to do the job and keep the public safe - unless we're given the authority (and weapons) to shoot on sight, which is unlikely as the H&S wallahs will block it as 'dangerous', the equality officer will block it as 'non-PC' and the number crunchers will say that we cannot afford it
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Old 3rd May 2010, 15:12
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Have you not noticed what ZANU Labour has been up to? Thousands of Civil Servants made redundant under the 'efficiency' drives from our current government
Yes, but when Labour do it, it's not being "shredded to pieces" - it's a responsible government having the courage to make "tough decisions".....
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Old 3rd May 2010, 20:49
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Trusting a Tory..
You certainly can trust Tories.

You can trust them to behave like Tories.

Like this for example:



Yes I know you've seen it before.

But watch it again and please follow the advice on the last frame.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 21:55
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Krystal - I agree on one point, whoever the next PM is they are, initially, being handed the poison chalice, courtesy of thirteen years of non government. Conservative governments have recovered crap situations left them by Labour before, let us all hope they can do it again without being thrown out at the next election for their troubles.

G-AWZK & Duckbutt - That was said tongue in cheek, I missed out this,

Anyone else get seriously annoyed when they see GB saying, "Elect us, we will give you this, give you that, etc. etc." - They have been in thirteen years and and brought the UK to it's knees, how come they never did all these things when they had the chance?
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Old 3rd May 2010, 22:47
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Conservative governments have recovered crap situations left them by Labour before
I don't think that either of the two main parties can claim any great grace in leaving behind rubbish or tidying it up afterwards.

If Thatcher had not had the good fortune to win the Falklands War then the mess that would have been left behind would have been much much worse than that they had inherited.

After reading all three main manifestos, I cannot say that any of them have anything particularly impressive to offer.
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Old 4th May 2010, 03:02
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Now here's a thought. Vote in the Conservatives with enough seats to make a decent Parliament, tactically vote in Labour seats to bring in a LibDem.

That way you'd have a ruling party which would have experience of government and would give 5 years of stability; you'd elevate the Lib Dems into the Opposition which would give them a 5 year learning curve with, hopefully, some runs on the board ready to take on the Conservatives at the following election; and send the Labour party into the wilderness for a very, very long time as punishment for the gargantuan mess that they have made.

Just a thought.
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Old 4th May 2010, 03:53
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If Thatcher had not had the good fortune to win the Falklands War then the mess that would have been left behind would have been much much worse than that they had inherited.
Pure supposition and there is no evidence to substantiate such a comment.

When Labour leave office they traditionally leave a huge amount of debt, the Tories don't. History speaks for itself.
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Old 4th May 2010, 06:51
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The markets are ready.........

London’s financial futures exchange will, in an unprecedented move, open at 1 a.m. on Friday to allow investors to trade gilts as the election results come in. Investment banks and hedge funds will be at their desks overnight. Given the closeness of the race if key results are not counted until lunchtime market uncertainty will cause volatility. The gilt market determines long term interest rates, which fix mortgage rates. Labour losing the election is priced into the market, consequently gilt yields have dropped below the psychological 4% interest rate as the prospect of a change of government with a focus on bringing down the deficit has buoyed debt and currency markets. If traders sense a re-run of the 1974 Lib-Lab pact is on the cards they will sell sterling and gilts to the floor. The pound will be devalued by morning and the gilt yields which determine long term mortgage rates will rocket. It would be a nightmare on Threadneedle Street…
The price of a Labour government will be higher mortgage payments and higher inflation imported by a devalued pound. If it goes wrong on Freaky Friday it will f**k the economy before the day is out…
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Old 4th May 2010, 07:03
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Enough of the national clap-trap.

We're going (or not as the case may be) to the polling stations on Thursday to vote for one person we want to represent US at Westminster, and another to represent US on our Borough Councils. The person to vote for on each of these ballots is the person who we believe will best serve our own local communities. The formation of a national government, national policies and all the rest is truly a side-line affair. What goes on at Westminster is something over which the electorate does not have, and has never had, any real control.

London’s financial futures exchange will, in an unprecedented move, open at 1 a.m. on Friday
Opening the casino early, eh? Well what else could you expect from the scum of the earth?
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Old 4th May 2010, 08:37
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Opening the casino early, eh? Well what else could you expect from the scum of the earth?
Never a truer word said.
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