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Old 28th Jan 2015, 15:23
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All those proposals by UKIP look eminently sensible to me and they are certainly achievable where there is a political will.
Just wish they were more robust on immigration.
It's understandable why the other parties are running scared.
Unfortunately, the political system being what it is, we're probably stuck with the useless and destructive Tories and Labour for a long time yet.
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 15:56
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By getting the Greens (and others) in, the debates become effectively soundbites (because the media won't extend the time slots). This reduces the impact of UKIP on the Tories, but allows the Greens to look reasonable against Labour. In a four-way, UKIP can pull apart the Tory record in detail.
If a long debate with the Greens included happened, Labour would indeed be able to show how crazy the Greens are.
So, short and with lots of participants is what DC wants.
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 17:34
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Chips, Approximately 4% of London property has a value above 2million. So when you remove foreign owners maybe 2-3%. You don't have to be a genius to work out that many of the 96% will be quite happy to give their wealthy neighbours a kicking.
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 17:56
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Natalie Bennett, the Green Party Leader has stated that they will be gracious enough to offer HM a council house once they have abolished the monarchy. Elsewhere she cites the Scandinavian countries as models which we should aspire to.

I wonder if she has noticed that Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all monarchies.

(btw - is she Australia's revenge for Julia Gillard?)
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 18:18
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What properties (houses) does HM own outwith her official residences?

Of course, one would have to examine where her fortunes came from.

Then there's the question of the mansion taxes . . .
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 20:13
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Oh good, politics of envy as promoted by the Lib Dems. Joy

He's got more money than me so tax him dry? How very liberal.....
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 20:47
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If it works why not? It makes sense to court the 96 votes rather than the 2. The two are going to vote Tory in any case so it's a win/win.
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Old 28th Jan 2015, 22:37
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Chips, Approximately 4% of London property has a value above 2million. So when you remove foreign owners maybe 2-3%. You don't have to be a genius to work out that many of the 96% will be quite happy to give their wealthy neighbours a kicking.


Sums up Labour politics quite nicely, now if only you and others could pause and remember last time Labour had the keys to the cash register
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 09:48
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The problem is though that we intensely disagree on that. For example the Thatcher recession of 80-82 created a whole generation who were denied work and prospects and instead offered a life on benefits. That generation is now in their forties and fifties and, quelle surprise, has raised a second generation of dole wallahs.

Before you holler anti Thatcherism give me an alternative reason why people en masse should suddenly decide that work is not for them and they would prefer a life on handouts.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The problem is though that we intensely disagree on that. For example the Thatcher recession of 80-82 created a whole generation who were denied work and prospects and instead offered a life on benefits. That generation is now in their forties and fifties and, quelle surprise, has raised a second generation of dole wallahs.

Before you holler anti Thatcherism give me an alternative reason why people en masse should suddenly decide that work is not for them and they would prefer a life on handouts.

I am sure that when you re read your offering you might just smile and think did I really say that?


I always find it massively ironic that it always comes back to Mrs T. Its always convenient to simply sweep the Blair/Brown disaster under the carpet and fall back on good old Mrs T as the root cause of all our ills today.


Forget the fact that Tony and Gordon bankrupted us, forget the fact that to continue to claw our way out of the financial hole those two feckwits put us in who ever wins in May is still going to have to cut spending.


Nope forget all that and blame good old Mrs T. Possibly even more ironic in your daft notion is that Tony and Gordon had 13 years in power to fix what you say is still broken because of Mrs T, as its still broken who's fault is that then?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 10:20
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"Mansion" tax? This one would be liable for it:

5 bed detached house for sale in Harmsworth Way, London N20 - 32989392 - Zoopla

This one wouldn't:

7 bedroom country house for sale in Lauder Grange, Prospect Hill, Corbridge, Northumberland, NE45

Just shows you how bonkers the whole scheme is.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 11:36
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Approximately 4% of London property has a value above 2million.
Whats the rate elsewhere in the UK?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 16:30
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I would imagine perhaps a few thousand properties throught the UK. That isn't of any importance though Arab,Russian and Chinese millionaires don't buy property in Suffolk. The whole point is that London IS the cash cow so that is where you take the money from. You may disagree but it seems that the vast majority of the electorate don't.

Seldom, Once the genie was out of the bottle there was no going back. I saw sixteen year old school leavers in '82 go straight on the dole because there were no jobs. Some stayed there. I was talking to a very sophisticated and wealthy 33 year old lady last Saturday night. She told me that her fifty year old father had never had a job. She was lucky enough to marry the son of my friend who owns a company employing two thousand people but my guess is that there are many thousands like her who have merely followed in dad's footsteps.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 16:44
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Which does not answer the question of why after 13 years in power did Tony and Gordon not turn things around?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 16:48
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Jeremy Vine, on his Radio 2 show on Tue. said he'd been told that teachers ,and suchlike, were now being classed, by the government, as private sector workers to make the figures look good. Can that really be true? He didn't seem too certain of it himself. However nothing would surprise me when it comes to government trickery.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 17:24
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Jeremy Vine, on his Radio 2 show on Tue. said he'd been told that teachers ,and suchlike, were now being classed, by the government, as private sector workers to make the figures look good. Can that really be true? He didn't seem too certain of it himself. However nothing would surprise me when it comes to government trickery.
Well, schools are now essentially privatised, in that they are outside any democratic control.

Example: your town is expanding, you need some new school places, the local school has room on site which was deliberately planned and designed to accommodate the extra children.

So you go to the school, which is now an academy or trust or whatever, and say "let's start planning for you to have another FE starting next school year".

And the school says "nah, mate, don't feel like it, we're happy as we are, we don't want to get any bigger".

Erm ... ??? ... ... ... what's supposed to happen now??
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 19:08
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We had an hilarious event earlier in the week. Dame Rachel de Souza, a Gove appointment had denied having advance warning of OFSTED inspections of three academies,despite much evidence to the contrary. She then "accidentally" deleted her E mails relating to the period.

Interviewed on TV she gave a bravura performance showing how not to lie. Her eyes were everywhere apart from on the camera combined with much tossing of the hair and long gaps as she thought through her answers.

Seldom, I think I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to that point.Once a generation is cast aside you cannot go and get them back.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 19:32
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Seldom, I think I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to that point.Once a generation is cast aside you cannot go and get them back.

As you mentioned TWO generations and the 2nd of those generations would have been the 'product' of Tony and Gordon can you explain their failure?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 19:59
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No,the second generation are the product of mores passed on to them by the previous one. Not all of course,but sometimes when people have the option of not working and take it they then become effectively unemployable.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 20:16
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No,the second generation are the product of mores passed on to them by the previous one. Not all of course,but sometimes when people have the option of not working and take it they then become effectively unemployable.

So if each generation is the product of the one that precedes it then it does make you wonder how we ever evolved our way out of caves
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