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Old 15th Feb 2010, 15:36
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BA Turn Back.

Terror alert over US man aged 55 stops BA jet mid-Atlantic | The Sun |News

TSA, getting jumpy ?
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 15:48
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Surely all it had to do was re-route to avoid US air space, or is it not that simple?
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 17:08
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Because of a US citizen a foreign jet is not allowed into "god´s own airspace"... How bizarre is that?

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 17:09
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Several non-US Diversions Available

  • The Bahamas
  • Jamaica
  • Caymans
  • Cuba
Surely BA would have an enroute station at one of these spots where additional fuel for the continuation would be available
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 17:35
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US citizen on board on TSA no-fly list who also advised said pax was not a threat to aircraft or pax. TSA said no to US airspace entry hence turn back to LHR for pax off-load and re-crew.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 18:02
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Re-route to avoid New York airspace
The restriction probably also applied to New York Occeanic airspace, not just Continental USA.

If that is the case, it starts at 45N 40W and goes as far south as 18N (again at 40W).

Or to put it another way, to avoid NY Oceanic they would have needed to route 22N 40W then proceed SW for 400nm before turning W to Antigua! So it's not quite as simple to re-route as some would seem to think - sometimes a little knowledge can be dangerous - better let the professionals handle it, me thinks.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 18:25
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If you look at the route of the 243,

FlightAware > British Airways #243

you can see the problem in avoiding US airspace.

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 18:33
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Several non-US Diversions Available The Bahamas Jamaica Caymans Cuba
Some of these are challenged by the recent volcano. Without better alternatives I think they made the right decision.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 19:29
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Probably nothing more than a test run to check the system (now who would do that?)

JB here we come
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 13:34
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US citizen on board on TSA no-fly list who also advised said pax was not a threat to aircraft or pax. TSA said no to US airspace entry hence turn back to LHR for pax off-load and re-crew.
If I was a shareholder of BA, I would check that BA are compensated for the hideous costs of this.

You can bet that the USA have small enough words to say that "Anything we decide is correct" and will resort to that well known New York phrase: "Never apologise. Never explain" now: Never compensate.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 13:47
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How did they know this guy was on board? Do BA supply all passenger lists to the TSA of non US flights?
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 14:00
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If controlled by USA ATC? They will presume that the miscreant will successfully hi-jack the a/c and then divert over the border. They will not presume that they might have made a mistake.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 16:03
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How did they know this guy was on board? Do BA supply all passenger lists to the TSA of non US flights?
On all flights that transit US controlled airspace, whether the destination is a US airport, or not.
Most (if not all) other scheduled and charter carriers do the same.
New arrangement, begun about a month ago, as a result of the 25 December underwear business near Detroit.
A permanent change.

Note.
Private aircraft (IE: business jets flights, etc) must also comply, through the eAPIS notification system.

The TSA means business, and fully intends to keep the nastys out (in so far as possible) because...of the relaxed attitude toward terrorism in many other countries.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 18:08
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The TSA means business, and fully intends to keep the nastys out
the 25 December underwear business
They didn't do very well keeping this clown out then did they despite direct warnings from several sources?

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Old 16th Feb 2010, 18:54
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No surprise, then, that they might go a touch overboard not letting THAT debacle repeat.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 18:56
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The TSA means business, and fully intends to keep the nastys out (in so far as possible) because...of the relaxed attitude toward terrorism in many other countries.
Lets blame everyone else and not look too hard at ourselves then.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 19:06
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So if he's a US citizen and he's on a no-fly list, it means that he can never return to the US?

Wouldn't they actually WANT to put him through extra security PRIOR to boarding and have a serious chat with him on arrival, without extraordinary rendition and similar?

Shades of the Kingston Trio and "MTA"
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 19:22
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So if he's a US citizen and he's on a no-fly list, it means that he can never return to the US?
Strange as it may seem RevMan2 there are other modes of transport than by air, boat for instance.
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Funny that..I dont remember the Yanks being too bothered about terrorism when they openly allowed Noraid to collect vast sums within their borders, that was spend on killing innocent people here. I think their explanation then was that there wasnt much they could do about it..


Bloody hypocrites....And they wonder why nobody likes them
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 19:37
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So if he's a US citizen and he's on a no-fly list, it means that he can never return to the US?
I'd guess that's why he was flying to Mexico City (maybe to complete his journey over land?). Are people who are on the no fly list aware that they are on the no fly list?
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