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Old 20th Jan 2010, 17:39
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post

I have seen far more drivers misusing their front fog lights rather than their rear ones.
However, I had no hesitation the other day in using me front fogs when I realised in traffic that I'd lost me offside headlight. (I also know from experience that replacing the lamp is not a five-minute doddle.) If I'd been stopped, I could have waited for about six nanoseconds before pointing out an idiot with a headlight out looking like a motorcycle coming towards me. North London folk do seem to have a gigantic faith in the Almighty's protection...
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 19:53
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............I ride with headlights on ALL the time.
So do I, but now it is law in NZ, which creates another problem. Previously it didn't matter if one drove with no headlight, now it does, and how does one know that the bulb has just failed when riding in the day ?

Just my luck to have that happen as P.C. Plod rounds the corner, and NO, I bet he will not be understanding.

It's a good idea to have headlights on when driving in the late afternoon with the sun behind you, oncoming traffic can't see unlit vehicles against the glare, but unfortunately the drivers with the sun behind don't realise that, as they are driving in brilliant light - so what's the problem ?
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 20:14
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I've always ridden my motorbikes on dipped headlight in the daytime since 1973; back then I was a lone "voice" and everyone used to flash their lights at me, which proved the light had done it's job - car drivers saw me.

My present bike has no light switch, only a dip/main selector; the headlight comes on with the ignition and stays on.

The bikes that worry me are the modern ones with twin headlights. They can be mistaken for a car, further away, so a car driver might think he is OK to pull out from a side junction. I've heard of a fatal where the car driver at fault said this is what happened.
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 20:26
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Similarly I can remember my father warning me about old Landrovers at night; their headlights are quite close together and could be mistaken for a car further away.

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Old 20th Jan 2010, 22:07
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As far as the chap who was the examiner for my driving test was concerned, the rule on fog lights, front or rear, is that they should only be used when fog causes visibility to be less than 100 metres. They should not be used in rain, snow, meteoroid showers or any other circumstances. Fog causing <100m vis only.

As well as pressing for the precise distance for the above question, the 100 yards I initially offered him not being close enough to the 100 metres he wanted, he also asked me how I'd know if a pedestrian was both deaf and blind. I'll admit, I missed that one by more than the difference between imperial and metric units.

Nonetheless, he passed me, first try after exactly zero lessons. You should see my driving though!
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Old 20th Jan 2010, 23:46
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Originally Posted by SyllogismCheck
how I'd know if a pedestrian was both deaf and blind.
And the answer is?
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 00:03
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I don't have a problem with headlights on low beam at any time. I know people who use them on long drives on highway, or when its a bit dark or hazy, but it shouldn't dazzle you on low beam.

People driving around without dipping their high beams however, or fog lights when there is no fog...

(In my part of Aus it is illegal to have fog lights on if there isn't any fog, one of the few good road rules out there!)
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 02:30
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... it seems that some drives have their stop lights wired to their Hi Fi in the manner of a Disco !

Those who have experienced close formation flying will understand.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 05:12
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN
Originally Posted by SyllogismCheck
how I'd know if a pedestrian was both deaf and blind.
And the answer is?
I believe that someone who is both deaf and blind has a white stick with black bands round it.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 05:56
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how I'd know if a pedestrian was both deaf and blind.
Hoodie listening to iPod?
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 07:02
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Rear fog lights?
On motorways, I have seen cars crash into the back of cars with their rear fog lights on because the fog lights have obscured the brake lights.
JWP is probably one of those people who see a bit of drizzle during the day and turns on his fog lights.
Vis of less than 100m is seriously poor vis......

Front fog lights?
Apparently yoof think it cool to drive with only fog lights on at night and with normal lights switched off.
Yo! Yoof. Listen up.
It's not.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 07:39
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G-CPTN,

At the time, I didn't know. Not wanting to fall at the last hurdle, I thought I'd offer him something of a wild guess, so suggested that I might know they were also deaf because they may have a guide dog but they wouldn't respond to the sound of my approaching. Well, it was the best I could think of on the spot.

Captain Stable is on the money. I was told the white stick had red rather than black bands though.

I'm sure he picked the most obscure questions there are to be asked. Blind people and fog light specifics, I ask you!
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 08:12
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I took my driving exam in Luxembourg 20 years ago, and at the time, driving on the motorways
Surely in Luxembourg that should be Motorway? [/pedant]



Maybe something like this is the ultimate deterrent to tail gaters?
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 08:15
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I think the front fog light issue is a lack of education in many cases.

These lights are, unlike rear fogs, not to illuminate the vehicle for the benefit of other drivers, but to illluminate the road when airborne water (or snow) causes normal headlights to cause excessive reflected glare to the car's driver.

They work because the reflected light, as it bounces back to the light itself, is underneath the driver's line of sight. The driver looks over the dazzle effect.

I've been driving in all weathers since 1972. I've had cause to use front foglights only about half a dozen times!

When driving my car I use dipped headlights in daylight in poor visibility (if for example, I have the windscreen wipers on constantly), to increase my car's conspicuity, but if it's not actually dark I motor the lights as low as they will go, so as not to cause dazzle to oncoming traffic.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 09:16
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Front fog lights work well in snow conditions in the dark, they help you to pick out the snow bank verge, when dips are inadequate and full beam is detrimental. Fog, You rarely encounter a fog thick enough for them to make any appreciable difference. Everyone dutifully yet pointlessly lights them up in mist though. Well, I like pressing buttons......Maybe they are misleadingly named.

In snow you get a poor sense of the road surface and verge in reflected light. The lower the light the better, because it throws shadows better. You'll find me with my front fog lights on in snow conditions on unlit back roads. I do flick them off for oncoming cars, but I wish it were more easily done than furtling around for a little button on the dash. Actually my snow chariot Jeep is pretty good for that, you push in the end of the indicator stalk.

I notice many cars are appearing with low mounted adaptive 'cornering lights' where fog lights usually are (maybe they are dual purpose?) that selectively illuminate the verge when you turn the steering wheel, how come they are legal?

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Old 21st Jan 2010, 09:19
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 09:51
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No, I am not one of those as described. I, too, hate inappropriate use of fog lights. Living in the countryside now I am always being dazzled by drivers with front fog lights on in the dark lanes. I will clarify; OK I was wrong about the exact wording in the Highway Code but I DID see advice like that somewhere. However, for me: I only use front or rear fog lights when necessary, (seriously reduced visibility as described). I admit to using dipped beams when there is some rain about but only if I see many other road users with theirs on. This (as I stated earlier) is to make ME visible amongst the others. Otherwise I will only use my dipped beams in rain if I feel the visibility is reduced enough. My comment about making it law to drive on dipped beams is only a suggestion for something which would clear up the uncertainty that some drivers seem to have.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 11:56
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Whilst I agree that the use of high-intensity rear so-called fog-lights can be dazzling, especially for vehicles travelling in close convoy (and especially so when roads are wet), I remain confused as to the effect of front-mounted foglamps on oncoming vehicles.
To be effective, front-mounted foglamps should be angled downwards so as to project a beam below the fog, rather than reflecting off the fog and scattering the light, thus aggravating the visibility experienced by the driver.
How, then, can (correctly-adjusted) front-mounted foglamps dazzle oncoming motorists? Maybe the complaint is that vehicles are being driven with improperly-adjusted lamps?

(I might add that I comply with the regulations and avoid using foglamps unless the conditions dictate otherwise.)
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 12:04
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What G-CPTN said.

Although why people get so wound up about people with their front fogs on I will never know. Must have nowt else to bang on about...
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 12:04
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Me too. I've never found them an irritation at all, yet they are up there in the canon of bugaboos with cyclists, suvs and paedophiles........

Personally, I find those hair-on-end plug-in HID headlamp bulbs so favoured by the rice burner end of the market more of a disturbance than a couple of feeble low lying 30watters.
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