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Old 21st Dec 2009, 16:46
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a judicial system to mete out justice based on the laws of the day

Except, as in so many cases, you get law - you don't get justice.

The law is interpreted in such a machine-like way it might as well be decided by computer.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 16:52
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Sorry for the typo Roger, no offense intended.

according to your credentials
You don't know anything whatsoever about my credentials.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 16:53
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Ok, coming from one who does live in England, that footage was worse than X-Factor.

Clearly the Daily Mail has decided, and these two thugs were harshly treated while another theiving thug got off lightly. The entire justice system is ruined I tell you! Gordon is to blame. All the true English are leaving. What's the country coming to? T'was much better back in my day, before they let in all those darkies and wogs, back when there was no bloody national grid to extort electricity bills out of the law abiding citizenry. Take me back to shire horse and cart I tell you, back to the days of carnage on the battlefield.....froth....foam.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 16:59
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The Daily Mail really does have a lot to answer for, it seems.

Case 1: Burglar breaks into my house, assaults wife and kids, I whack him with a cricket bat, call police, police take him away = reasonable force.

Case 2: Same, but burglar runs away when he sees cricket bat. I round up some cronies, we search him out, find him an hour later and beat him to a pulp with the cricket bat = mob rule. Not acceptable in civilised society.

Anyone disagree so far?

If the issue is (as I suspect) that the burglar in case one gets a short sentence, emerges from prison, and goes off and does it again - then there is an issue for the criminal justice system which should be taken up with our "elected representatives". Trouble may be that they aren't listening, or aren't being listened to by the "elected leaders" (who DID elect Mandy?).

Still doesn't make beating burglar to pulp acceptable. In my view, anyway.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 16:59
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If they'd let Hussain off the hook, a very dangerous precedent would have been set.
WHY??????

I for one would far rather live in a society where burglars take their lives into their hands every time the go out on a job - rather than the current system which lets them off scot free whilst punishing their victims to the full extent of the law.
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The Middle East or Singapore may be better homes for you.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:03
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Sorry for the typo Roger, no offense intended. (your bold) (your bad teeth)
So there was offense intended!

You don't know anything whatsoever about my credentials.
Myself, I do not reside in Britain and have no desire to be accorded the privilege, so I couldn't care less.
That's enough credentials!

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What's the X-Factor?

T'was much better back in my day, before they let in all those darkies and wogs, back when there was no bloody national grid to extort electricity bills out of the law abiding citizenry. Take me back to shire horse and cart I tell you, back to the days of carnage on the battlefield.....froth....foam.
It was a choral hymn with pictures of England circa 1924, how base of you to start spouting a relation to darkies and wogs!!

(bye the way, you are the type of English people why other English people are leaving. Don't forget to turn the lights out!)

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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:05
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The Middle East or Singapore may be better homes for you.
Something between the two ends of the scale would be ideal.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:08
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one hit with the bat a suitable angle would have done it


"I only hit him once, I thought he had a weapon"
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:10
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Had Mr Hussein been an on duty trained policeman with back up then it would have been reasonable to expect him to act with restraint. To expect a member of the public who has seen his family subjected to a vicious aggravated burglary to act with the same degree of restraint is ridiculous.

I speak from experience after being subject to an aggravated burglary myself. Until it is done to you it is impossible to appreciate just how terrifying it is. Admittedly I didnt chase the burglars after they left but that was due to cowardice (common sense?) not self restraint.

The fact is that the burglar picked on the wrong person and is now bleating about it. By threatening his family with a knife suggests that he was prepared to do the same to Husseins family. Therefore he gets no sympathy from me.

I can accept that there is a bigger issue at stake i.e. its not in societies interest to encourage vigiliantism. This isnt to protect the rights of criminals, lynch mobs are very good at getting the wrong person. However the law is wrong to use this case to make an example.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:13
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The voice of sense award 2009. Thank you.

Frankly you lot that think these guys did wrong are off your rocker!
I can imagine you, head of the family, threatened by a guy with a knife and as he runs off you turn and say "it;s ok everyone let him go, we may not see him again or catch him, but we must follow the rule of minimum force'!!!

I would have chased him for 10 miles and killed the f****r. Now let the shift come on from over the water and once again pi** themselves laughing at the Brits. Some of you are very poor excuses for heads of family, think about it!
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:15
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We should be agonising over what has caused the rise in violent crime rather than how to deal with victims who fight back, says Melanie McDonagh.
Munir Hussain: the real problem is rising crime, not self defence - Telegraph


Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary, has said the government would re-examine the law after the jailing of Munir Hussain, the businessman convicted of beating a burglar who tied up his family at knifepoint after breaking into their home.
Alan Johnson signals review of law after man jailed for beating burglar - Telegraph
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:34
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Roger,
So there was offense intended!
In your reply, probably:
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But I have a thick skin and don't sweat the small stuff. That's among the things you learn by being an expat.

Another thing you learn by being an expat is that nationalism almost always starts with hymns, and sometimes ends with concentration camps (or detention centers as we now call them).

get off the thread!
Well if the powers that be agree, I suppose henceforth threads might be tagged "British only", or "Slegs vir blanke"...
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:39
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(That avoids spelling errors)

Stay in Italy, enjoy. Talk about Italy and dont sing any Hymns as you appear to think that those that do are the spawn of Satan. Funny that in Italy!

Well if the powers that be agree, I suppose henceforth threads might be tagged "British only", or "Slegs vir blanke"...
What an obscene comment and a sad reflection on your mindset!
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 17:51
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Case 2: Same, but burglar runs away when he sees cricket bat. I round up some cronies, we search him out, find him an hour later and beat him to a pulp with the cricket bat = mob rule.
Where did you get that scenario from?

According to the Times, Mr Hussain's teenage son managed to escape from the three masked armed men and ran to his uncle's house a few doors away to get help.
Hardly 'rounding up some cronies'.

Mr Hussain threw a coffee table at the robbers who realized the son had gone to get help and they ran from the house. Mr Hussain and his brother chased the gang down the street and managed to catch one of them.
No 'searching them out and finding them an hour later'.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:07
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To expect a member of the public who has seen his family subjected to a vicious aggravated burglary to act with the same degree of restraint is ridiculous.
And lets just examine what actually happened just in case anyone still has sympathy for the burglar.

The family were set upon by three thugs armed with 12 inch knives and balaclavas.

Mr Hussain and his young son were beaten.

Mrs Hussain pleaded with them to stop saying they would not put up any resistance and to take everything they wanted at which point one of the cowards said "We are going to f*****g kill you all"

The [email protected] deserved the beating he got. End of.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:09
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Roger,
What an obscene comment and a sad reflection on your mindset!
Well, the impression I got from your exhortation to get off the thread, is that according to you someone who does not reside in Britain has no business on this thread. If you intended otherwise, please clarify.

Talk about Italy
I'll talk about anything I take an interest in. And while I do not reside in Britain, a number of people I care about (next of kin among these) do. I'd say that's sufficient reason to take an interest in matters British.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:16
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Crime Passionel

A crime of passion, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault or murder, against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime.

French law may well have excused the victim of the burglary which precipitated the rage. There is a similar defence in the USA called 'Temporary Insanity.' With the tremendous increase in violent crime in England, perhaps it is time for a similar point of law?

In this case, I think that a custodial sentence was wrong. Did the judge take into account how Mr Hussein is going to fare doing 'porridge' amongst his burglar's peers? I sincerely hope that he is on bail pending appeal.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:22
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post

The [email protected] deserved the beating he got. End of.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 18:34
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In my mind the only thing Mr Hussein did wrong was not finishing the job and disposing of the body effectively! Now we, the UK public, have to foot the care bill for this cretin who offered NOTHING to UK society.
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