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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 15:51
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That is one powerful bit of film.

I showed it to my daughter. It might stop her getting in a car one day.
Old 23rd Dec 2009, 05:19
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One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff
Clavin was explaining the Buffalo Theory to his buddy
Here's how it

" Well ya see, Norm, it's
like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the
slowest buffalo. And when
the herd
is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are
killed first. This natural selection is
good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of
the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest
members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as
fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we
know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and
weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer
eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more
efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 12:44
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Public education films are notoriously ineffective. The compilation video in the original post states statistics that, if you believe the videos have been responsible, show the death reduction to be an average of 25 people p.a. That is hardly effective assuming the reduction was solely due to the videos, which I somehow doubt.

In the UK when I was first driving in the early 70s it was almost a point of honour to drive home irrespective of how much alcohol had been consumed. The breathylser was introduced and the reasons made known. What did have the most dramatic effect was the increasing likelihood of being caught, the harsh penalties and the financial cost incurred during the ban (taxis, etc) and afterwards (increased insurance premiums). Thinking individuals avoided the risk and it gradually became normal for the driver in the group to be seen as adult and sensible rather than being mocked for lack of machismo.

I would venture to suggest that TV campaigns are almost a waste of time although they do allow the emotionally susceptible to feel they are doing their bit by showing the admittedly well made videos to those they care about in the somewhat futile hope that it will make a difference.

I lived in Australia in 1992 and over the Easter holiday I was struck by a statistic on the news. That was that over the holiday period in Western Australia 7,000 breath tests had been carried out with a grand total of 0 positive tests! In Australia, of course, random breath testing is allowed and in Sydney I certainly witnessed massive random breath testing operations being carried out.

The greater certainty of being caught and heavily penalised is, I suggest, by far the most effective method of preventing drinking and driving. It can be witnessed by the current obsession with speed cameras i.e. if you speed the likelihood of being caught has increased dramatically. They have been effective at generally slowing people down but have had precious little real mpact on the declared aim of reducing deaths and injuries. They will of course stay because the revenue generated has been enormous.

Somebody mentioned earlier they favour a zero alcohol policy for drivers. What I object to with that is that it will not dissuade the people who drink to excess now from the practice, they will still drink and drive whatever the limit. What it will do is further alienate people like myself who may have a sensibly moderate glass of wine with a meal and will make this increasingly authoritarian country that little bit more unpleasant to live in.

How about spending some money and effort in teaching people to drive properly in the first place instead of making graphic and emotional video campaigns of questionable effectiveness? That would save a good many deaths and injuries.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 19:30
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The moral blackmail videos don't really work, but I'm sure that videos that show how much it could cost you in really money would be far more effective.

Hurting people's pockets always makes them pay attention.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 21:48
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Anyone driving over the next few days, stay safe and keep your wits about you, big holidays tend to bring the fwits out on the road.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 22:29
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With a 17 year old in the throws of learning to drive, what I would really like to do, is to take him around the various parts of Accident & Emergency, intensive care and the morgue, so he can see people of his age who have learned, or didn't have the chance to learn, the hard way. I guess the 'powers that be' would consider that to be too traumatising though...

From what I have seen, its not the teenagers who are the worst offenders at drink driving. They are quite capable of killing themselves and others without it, thanks to an excess of testosterone and a lack of driving experience. The older drivers who lose their abilities to reason once drunk, and despite all their earlier assurances to get a taxi home, suddenly decide they will be ok to drive who are the most common offenders.

On a lighter note, I had firsthand experience of Australian breathtesting one New Year's Eve, when travelling from Canberra to Mount Eliza (near Melbourne) one year, with my brother and his girlfriend. They were both both adamant all the way there that they knew where the friend we were visiting, lived. That is,until we got to Mount Eliza, and then they both thought the other knew. We drove round and round, looking for the friend's house, and through the same police roadblock three times in the space of 30 minutes. Each time my brother had to take the breath test (totally sober, I should add), meanwhile, by the third time I was in stitches in the back of the car at the whole situation...
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Old 25th Dec 2009, 00:29
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I dunno Mechta. When I was learning I went to a free course thing where they had people from police, rta, driving instructors etc give talks.

The cop who came was in Highway Patrol, and brought photos taken at crash scenes, to "scare us straight" I guess.

It worked, every time I think about speeding I have an image of a young driver with his head split in two, half of it either side of the door pillar. I guess it's too much for the PC crowd though. Maybe speak to the cops in your area and get their opinion on it?
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Old 25th Dec 2009, 01:03
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I was impressed by that vid, as I said earlier. It's useful because it (sort of) lets you see the mess you might make but before you make it.

Having said that, the theme was 'drive carefully this Christmas'.

Not 'Don't drink and drive'.

All the stuff in the vid could occur stone cold sober.....and it does.

All that stuff could also occur within the speed limit.

Most accidents.............are accidental.

Still rotten consequences.
Old 25th Dec 2009, 01:31
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The video has little impact other then to harden you the same way that viewing orgrish-dot-zzz does. It's shock and awe the first time that you view it and in the end, 6 months later, you read the consequences in the daily paper and still figure that it was somebody elses mistake and it won't happen to you.

The challenge is to affect everyday decisson making qualities not by illustrating rare and shocking events, but rather by emphasizing everyday inconveniences like court traffic tickets, fender benders, insurance premiums etc.
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Old 25th Dec 2009, 01:33
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Thanks for sharing this link. I've posted it to my facebook. Hopefully it'll keep me with the same amount of friends on my list in 2010.

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