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Old 25th Oct 2009, 19:42
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They didn't email the pro-science voters either, so no need for paranoia by the anti-science voters.

This absurd vox-pop does seem to have been very badly handled by the organisers of The Science Museum's website.

What are they to do next? Have a vote on whether the world was created in seven days by a white man in a grey beard? Hold a plebiscite on whether E=mc2 is "only a theory"?
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 20:28
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I find the evangelistic fervour in support of AGW quite sad. I try to approach the subject with an open mind and read as much as I can about the subject from both sides of the argument. However discussions with regard to the merits or otherwise of the evidence are a complete waste of time as the pro-camp have a completely closed mind as to any alternative reasoning behind the perceived changes. To them it seems to be a religion with no answer other than "I believe".
And 'yes', I have read the evidence according to the IPCC and 'no' I do not find it conclusive that mankind is responsible for any changes. The logic is fuzzy at best. Climate is a dynamic, always has been and always will be and for mankind to think that piddling about around the edges will force nature to change in the way that is acceptable to our ego is arrogance in the extreme. The Middle Ages warm period gets ignored, the fact that CO2 concentrations lag behind warming gets ignored, the fact that the for the last 10 years we have been cooling gets ignored, plus a host of other problems with 'the facts'.
What puts the cap on it is when politicians start to rant that we have only 45 days, or whatever it is now, to come up with a solution or we're doomed. Of course the solution means the masses get taxed to hell for something that probably doesn't exist.
Sorry for my rant but I feel better for that.

PS I also feel qualified to air my views as a physicist who spent his working life in R&D and knows what contrived graphs and selected data really mean.

I voted against. Doesn't mean I'm right though
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 20:28
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I'm a white man with a grey beard. Don't blame it on me though !!!
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 20:30
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Stats - eat shit, why one billion flies do and you know that stats don't lie!
 
Old 25th Oct 2009, 22:07
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Corrupted poll

It appears from a report on Watts Up With That, with evidence provided, that the poll has been so incompetently set up that it has been corrupted. What a shame!

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Old 25th Oct 2009, 22:52
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The Real Climate Change Catastrophe
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Stoic View Post
It appears from a report on Watts Up With That, with evidence provided, that the poll has been so incompetently set up that it has been corrupted. What a shame!
For those looking up WUWT, you have to scroll down a bit to find the entry about the poll.
It's worth the effort, though.
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 23:00
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What are they to do next? Have a vote on whether the world was created in seven days by a white man in a grey beard? Hold a plebiscite on whether E=mc2 is "only a theory"?
Wouldn't put it past them.

Who funds the Science Museum?

What tune is he who pays the piper wanting promoted?

Fear (=tax revenue) or No-Fear (=no tax revenue)

As the eco-warriors keep saying in their patronising and naive way - follow the money...
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 01:01
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When I voted, ("Out') it immediately brought up a second page and asked if I was sure and had I read their "evidence" and was I sure I wanted to vote 'out' then it gave a yes and no button but no mention of email.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 01:05
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That's a new one to me?
Are they panicking already?
I'll have to have another look...

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Edit:
parabellum,
Sorry, but no.
I just now "cheated" by going in again and getting "counted out" by using my other email address, without accessing any of the "evidence".
No hanky-panky from their part about "are you sure" or whatever.

Still, as said by somebody else earlier, "votes" being counted without the corresponding confirmation from an e-mail, are little more than valueless.

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 01:09
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Empirical something!

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 01:23
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Originally Posted by Michael Birbeck View Post
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You know that science is not a popularity contest! I suspect that I know you do.
Yes......
That was more or less the gist of the e-mail message I attached to my vote, actually, if you really want to know....
Didn't get acknowledged either. Surprise...

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 07:33
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OK I'm counted out, Climate change and Carbon footprints, the biggest con since the south sea bubble
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 09:18
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Initially I was a sceptic, then the climate change proponents produced data on CO2 increases that seemed plausible evidence of a significant human contribution to the increase. Reading deeper into the sources of that data, I found that it was of extremely dubious accuracy. I am no longer a mere sceptic, I am absolutely convinced that although "Climate Change" may be a real event, the attempts to involve humanity in reversing it are complete and utter nonsense; pure political claptrap in fact.

Many years ago, a major subject in the first year of my degree was "Statistics" and the very first lecture and assignment was concerned with "The Use and Abuse of Statistics". I feel obliged to point out that the climate change lobby, (in common with Governments in general, who are probably the worst abusers of statistics) are guilty of almost all of the techniques that we were warned about all those years ago - and about which today's crop of science, engineering, mathematics and economics students must certainly still be warned. How could anybody with scientific training be taken in by this tommy-rot?

Science? What we really need is some proper Science. There are far too many politicians involved here, with their proposals for "Green Taxes" to be spent on ever more dodgy social engineering projects, for Climate Change to be addressed as "Science". See it for what it is - that lowest form of human activity, Politics.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 09:37
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Looks like they have deployed the Afghani voting protocol overnight.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 09:45
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My thoughts too, Mr D.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 10:01
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What a difference a day makes...., 24 little hours....
  • 3891 counted in so far
  • 4679 counted out so far
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 10:04
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Science Museum - national embarrassment!

The poll is corrupted and worthless. It is an embarrassment to the country. Perhaps a reason for this mixing up of science and politics can be found at Times Higher Education - The power of a Pole position

Regards

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Old 26th Oct 2009, 10:07
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24 little hours....
Actually just over 12 in this instance.
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Old 26th Oct 2009, 10:37
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Even to Blind Freddy it's pretty obvious what has happened. To save great embarrassment they had a ring round to drum up support for the "Yes" vote.

And we thought that sort of corruption only happened in third world countries.
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