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Old 11th Jun 2009, 08:47
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At least they were wearing hi vis vests.......
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 08:54
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Brilliant - they chained themselves to the only tech aircraft on the ramp!! I should have left them there as it wasnt due to be fixed until a week next Tuesday! If it had been one of mine they soon would have come unhitched at around 160knts...
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 09:00
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There are notices attached to the perimeter fence all round the GA apron at LCY detailing exactly which aviation law you will be arrested under if you cross the fence. Yet LCY seem to be saying it's now just down, maybe, to breaking and entering.

So are these notices just a try-on ?
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 10:56
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Well done Guy Lachlan

The CEO emerges with credit and respect here IMO.

Even seeks a dialogue with the Protesters to discuss the issue.

He's the only one from this incident to emerge with credit.
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 12:56
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They wouldn't be charged with "breaking and entering", but with Burglary:

From Wikipedia:
Burglary in English law is defined by section 9 of the Theft Act 1968 which created two variants:

A person is guilty of burglary if he enters any building or part of a building as a trespasser with intent to steal, inflict grievous bodily harm [or raping any person therein][1], or do unlawful damage to the building or anything in it.(section 9(1)(a))
A person is guilty of burglary if, having entered a building or part of a building as a trespasser, he steals or attempts to steal anything in the building, or inflicts or attempts to inflict grievous bodily harm on any person in the building.(section 9(1)(b))
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 13:14
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Poor Britain
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 13:58
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Complete looneys?

Despite all the indignation of ppruners here, there is a point to consider. The protest itself was both a security breach and an unnecessary nuisance to the users of the aircraft. However they have a point in that some human beings believe that their contribution to global warming is ok as long as everyone else cuts back on their emissions. Any 'pointless' flying causes 'pointless' pollution. So does poor fuel management by lazy crews. Being aviators doesn't mean that the carbon trail we leave is harmless. If you don't desperately need a business jet, then ride the RPT like other mere mortals and conserve our fuel. It only costs a little more time and you may need to slow down a little anyway. (The shareholders and air breathers will love you for it!) If you really do need a business jet then get the leanest fuel burner you can find. Do you really need a 747er or is it just your ego being fragile again. (Oil rich Sheiks take note!) Energy efficiency in aviation will be just as important as anywhere else and may eventually be our career downfall if we don't show and urge restraint. The protesters do have a point, even if their methods and targets are poorly chosen. A bunch of radicals shouldn't lay ruin to a good cause just because they annoy us. Cooler heads also have the same message for our consideration!
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 14:18
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Do you really think CO2 is a pollutant or poison? Better stop breathing because you exhale CO2 at 40,000 parts per million. Atmospheric CO2 is around 385 parts per million and frankly
only the Stupids of this world can believe that even if all man made CO2 were stopped it will have any effect on anything to do with this planet's climate.
Carbon Footprinting is in the same area as Fool's Gold, Tulip Trading, Witchcraft and Dragons.

Aircraft produce very little CO2 when viewed on a Global scale. Less than shipping and so much less than Mother Nature. Why stop producing a gas that plants and trees and mankind would die without?
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 14:28
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Flying fox...

Do you really need a 747er or is it just your ego being fragile again.
What car do you drive?..
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 15:32
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Of course, 99% of all CO2 released into the atmosphere comes from dear old Mother Nature herself. You never hear them whingeing about that though, do you?
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 15:34
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I agree totally agree with your sentiments re this "Plane Stupid" lot.
For my part I would lock them up and throw away the key.

But I feel I must take you to task about the group of "Brits" locked up in Greece.
I note that in genral, PPRuNe respondants are very Sceptical of quality/accuracy of media reporting about Aviation subjects. (I certainly am)
In this case you seem to go along with the then Media Hype, knocking
"Jonnie Foreigner's" treatment of Brits. abroad.

As far as I am aware they were not arrested and locked up for just taking Photographs.
I am open to correction.
It is my understanding they overstepped the line from an agreed agenda for the visit they were on.
They abused the strict guidelines laid down for their tour, were way out of line, hence the laws of "Greece" took over.
Its my personal opinion they were caught out, upset the "Authorities"
by their Attitude/Actions in response, and were made an example of.

They were well aware of the limitations in touring "Sensitive" Countries such as Greece,(It's totally alien to the Greeks that any one
should want to Photograph/Log Aircraft as a Hobby.)
So tact and awareness is the keyword in touring such Countries.

I can speak from long experience of setting up Photo/Media
tours for myself in Foreign climes.

I do know some of the group involved and for my part I would'nt trust them on a "School Outing" let alone on a foreign Aviation tour.

OPF

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Old 11th Jun 2009, 15:58
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Of course, 99% of all CO2 released into the atmosphere comes from dear old Mother Nature herself. You never hear them whingeing about that though, do you?
Even if a majority of CO2 comes from nature, if human induced CO2 emmisions increase, it will still cause an increase in the greenhouse effect. So I'm not sure why you want people whingeing about stuff that is beyond human control.

I'm not sure if your argument is supposed to convince us that global warming is not a fact, or if you thinking whingeing against mother nature will cause her to take notice.

All that is beyond the scope of this thread which is about a few criminals who trespassed and caused security issues. No reason to whinge about everyone who may be concerned about the environment because of a few criminals.

Also, dealing with global warming isn't to protect "mother nature".. It is to protect future generations of humans. The earth will continue just fine without humans.
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 16:09
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I didn't know about all the details of their case (that's what I get for believing what was in the media I s'pose!)

I guess the point I would make is that we should be MORE like Johnny Foreigner in how we deal with people like this.

I'll bet you if they trespassed onto a Greek airfield and attached themselves to a plane they would be met with a VERY different response - and I bet they wouldn't try it again!

Far, far too soft on them in the UK...
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 16:11
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Is it not a bit of a worry that these clowns can apparently enter an airport at will in the UK?
Perhaps some Police Air Units should have been called to respond!
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 16:31
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They may well have entered the airfield, as trespassers, but thats not a building, or part of one, so burglary is out the window.

There's a number of offences they could be arrested for, and subject to the CPS, charged, but thats not one of them.
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 16:41
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A similar scenario should be used in the UK, for such malcontents as noted above....IE: beat the cr*p out of 'em then throw 'em in the clink.
Fortunately those of us who live in a civilised society, that sort of behaviour is illegal in this country. I'm not completely certain it's even legal in the Wild West, sorry United States.

We seem to be quite happy for the police to do it for us.
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Old 11th Jun 2009, 17:43
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"Plane Stupid said it had a legal expert on hand to deal with any arrests."
So by rational deduction, a "Legal Expert" would have to be a solicitor, anyone not having undergone a law degree or with experience as a legal professional would be as much as a legal expert as my cat.

Therefore, if we take it that the "Legal Expert" was on hand, then the legal expert would have had advanced knowledge and as such would be aiding and abetting a crime before the fact.

If the "Legal Expert" were not aware before the fact, but not a practicing solicitor engaged by the client then they would be aiding and abetting a criminal act after the fact.

Plane Stupid, really live up to their name.

Anyone transgressing the laws of trespass, criminal damage and deliberately breaching security with intent should be punished in full compliance with the law as should those aiding and abetting before or after the fact.
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Old 12th Jun 2009, 12:14
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I like how it says on there website
5 eco activists have shut down operations at London City Airport
But doesn't LCY have a curfew after 10pm or something? So wasn't it was closed in the first place?

Oh and it also says
public flights started running from City from 7am.
Isn't that when most of the early flights depart anyway?

Stupid is as stupid does sir
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