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Memo to pilots using 121.5

Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:36
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When I got started over 50 years ago, 119.7 was the Common Approach frequency. Just about everybody had it.
You remember well.
Likewise...43 years ago.

The Brits with their 'practise Pans' on 121.5.

Lost in time...
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:46
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121.5 is a primary means of communication for professional aviation in case of emergencies
Call me a bluff old traditionalist, but I wasn't aware that 121.5 was exclusively set aside for 'professional' aviators.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 18:53
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...but I wasn't aware that 121.5 was exclusively set aside for 'professional' aviators
'Tain't.
Howsomever...it is the international distress VHF frequency...NOT the 'practise Pan' BS.

Only thre Brits seem to b*stardise it so.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 19:08
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Maybe they (we?) do. But people with far bigger brains than me have decided it is a good thing. Personally I would like to clear up all of the rubbish that we hear on 121.5. When I plod around the UK airway system I tend to turn the COM2 volume down so that 121.5 is just audible in the background. If my COM1 goes unusually quiet (or indeed too noisy), I utilise the thumb and forefinger on my right/left hand to adjust the volume on COM2. Simples. You want to try it sometime rather than playing the Internet Hero bleating about the Brits.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 19:24
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121.5 is a primary means of communication for professional aviation in case of emergencies, general aviation in the UK is using the frequency as training means and interfering with professional aviation with non-essential communication.

Your remark is astoundingly arrogant.

So your point of view is that 121.5 is reserved for the exclusive use of people who are paid to fly?

People who fly without reward can just go and die in a crash, because they are not professional ?

How professional are some of your compatriots screaming "You're on guard" during a legitimate Mayday event, reported elsewhere on this thread?

If you or 411A have ever experienced a real emergency which was prejudiced by a practice Pan, tell us about it.

Otherwise, in 411A's words, "Like it or not...and I expect you don't.", get used to it, or avoid UK airspace.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 21:09
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Your remark is astoundingly arrogant.
Sadly however...it is quite true.
Therefore, only the Brits remain the odd man out.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 11:26
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If you are bothered about listening to a practice PAN then turn down the volume. Of course you have to remember to turn it back up but that what's a professional pilot is paid for. No excuses about missing real calls. Any real emergency and the D&D controller will abort the practice.

Just because this is not practised in the USA does not make t wrong. Some features of flying Stateside are very good, some not so.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 15:02
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How can I remove 411A from my reading?

I've had enough of his arrogant manner. I really hope this man is not in command of anything bigger than Flight Simulator 2004.

Can someone let me know how to rid myself of him on these forums? I thought there was a way of getting the forum to remove certain posters from individual accounts.

Thanks

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Old 19th Mar 2010, 16:34
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 17:04
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The Brits with their 'practise Pans' on 121.5.

Lost in time.
Americans calibrating their altimeters in inches of mercury.....

How many other countries do that nowadays?

Lost in time..............

Oh, but you are American and therefore right in every respect. I had forgotten that.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 17:21
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In Hg?

Try Japan
But I try not to get my thingies in a knot - the IN-HP (momentary) switch on the ECP will take care of inches or hectopascals problem.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 18:35
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the IN-HP (momentary) switch on the ECP will take care of inches or hectopascals problem.
and the volume knob on his radio box would solve 411A's problem.

He could then devote his free time to learn how to spell "practice"
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 18:44
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Originally Posted by TrafficPilot View Post
How can I remove 411A from my reading?
But you shouldn't.
It's always useful to know how dinosaurs think.
You may meet one some day.

(They do think, it's amazing what goes on in those peanut-sized brains. Just watch the birds in your garden, their direct descendants).

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Old 19th Mar 2010, 19:31
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411A may have a keyboard battery failure instead, although I suspect he's using something hard-wired to a PC.

@ 411A ... why is it that the people I meet in DC and VA are so much nicer, polite and intelligent than you seem to be? Is that another cultural difference?
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 20:15
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All the practice-PANning and DF steering has always merely amused me. I mean, how could anyone get lost over such a little island anyway? I just turn down the volume while I pass by and turn it up again when I'm over someplace where pilots understand that proper flight planning and airmanship get you from Point A to Point B, not yammering on the radio.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 20:30
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Please tell me you're not a Flight Sim pilot.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 20:33
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Didn't you ever go out on your first solo navex, or were you born with a CPL in your hand?
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 20:42
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AMF,
Didn't you ever go out on your first solo navex,...
Well, I'm not sure. What's a navex? Is that uber important-sounding British aviation slang for something?
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 21:40
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How many Practice Pans are there?

Its usually "Professional" Pilots on the wrong frequency, inane chatter, non ICAO language and pillocks shouting "You're on Guard" to each other...

My friends have you nothing better to complain about than a system that aims improves airmanship.

There are some very puerile attitudes coming through here.
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 01:35
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Spunky Monkey quote;

How many Practice Pans are there?

Its usually "Professional" Pilots on the wrong frequency, inane chatter, non ICAO language and pillocks shouting "You're on Guard" to each other...

My friends have you nothing better to complain about than a system that aims improves airmanship.

There are some very puerile attitudes coming through here.
I suspect 80% of the "practice" Pans heard aren't really practice at all, but instead poor-planners who've botched it. But if I'm wrong, and they are indeed all practice, then it's quite silly (not to mention hypocritical) to take anyone to task about using non-ICAO language since "practicing" anything on 121.5 is non-ICAO mis-usage of the frequency itself, no matter how crisply inflected and perfectly elocuted the non-essential chatter is.

As far as it "aims to improve airmanship", I'm still scratching my head over that one. It's like practicing the use of crutches when you could be learning how to tie your shoes so you don't trip and sprain your ankle in the first place.
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