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Memo to pilots using 121.5

Old 22nd Mar 2010, 16:11
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Like cricket, that's an English game

Yes you are right, but not quite complete. For your own safety, try not to state that view in:
Australia
South Africa
Barbados
Jamaica
Wales
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
And there are more. The chaps in those countries take their cricket seriously. They could get upset by your remarks.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 17:02
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At that time I had not been trained to use a VOR/ADF as it was not part of the UK PPL syllabus at the time.
That is a real shame.
I obtained my first pilots license (FAA) in 1963, and the use of VOR/ADF was most definitely required...otherwise, the inspector issued you an incomplete/failure notice during your proficiency check.


Gosh...I didn't know that the UK was that far behind.
Hope this oversight is corrected, now.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 17:33
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Still not answering the inches of mercury thing?

Why?

Hope this oversight will be corrected, soon,
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 20:53
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wings folded quote;

Yes you are right, but not quite complete. For your own safety, try not to state that view in:
Australia
South Africa
Barbados
Jamaica
Wales
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe
And there are more. The chaps in those countries take their cricket seriously. They could get upset by your remarks.
The Brits exported cricket as a tool used to help pacify those in countries where they planted the Union Jack so the locals would meet those claiming overlordship on the field of play, rather than do what we in North America did...gather in taverns to plot and plan, and eventually shoot you off the continent. The kind of people that would be so easily pacified by such a benign activity are hardly worth worrying about. And I'm saying that as one who's been to every one of those countries you listed, many of them numerous times.

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and you could be aware of your altitude in inches of mercury, if quaint and archaic is your thing.

But Europeans are tolerant of your weird little idiosyncrancies. Why are you not?
wings folded Still not answering the inches of mercury thing?

Why?

Hope this oversight will be corrected, soon,
Why? Well, I work for a living and replying to...or even thinking about your post....falls completely off my priority list while I'm busy flying sectors. And I wouldn't classify it as an "oversight", because that would imply that I care. And what's to answer anyway? I don't live or fly much in the U.S. so likewise, don't really care if they use inches of mercury or not, and if they do, it's not something extraneous I have to listen to through my headset. I do, however, fly quite a bit in and over the UK, and turn my volume down so I don't have to hear silly practice pans on 121.5.

Clear now?
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:00
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I recommend that you invest in a good shemagh, you can get a nice Olivera (made in the UK) for a reasonable amount in the souq.

That will help mitigate the brain frying effects of the sun that seem to have unfortunately afflicted you

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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:30
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Okay, as it obvious that this thread has turned into a bash the US feeding frenzy, that will soon be shut down or moved to JB I'll answer your question
WF.

You're not going to like the answer, but never the less it is the truth.

What country has produced the most aircraft of all types? The US.

What country has more aircraft per capita than any other country? The US.

What country has the most airlines? The US.

What country has the most airliners? The US

What country has eight of top ten the busiest airports, including the busiest when aircraft operations are counted, in the world? The US.

What country has the most General Aviation (private aircraft) in the world per capita? The US.

What country in the world has the most licensed pilots, student through ATP, per capita? The US.

I could go on, but I think this will suffice.

Could just possibly the reason the US, Canada, Mexico, most of South America, the Caribbean and more than a few other countries in the world still use inches of mercury is because of cost. And no, that was not a question.

The cost of converting something to something else when it makes no difference in the operations of aircraft makes no sense. Converting makes nothing safer, more efficient or cheaper. So no reason to do it.

Like I said, you probably will not like this answer, but I really don't care.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:43
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Final 3 Greens qulte;

AMF

I recommend that you invest in a good shemagh, you can get a nice Olivera (made in the UK) for a reasonable amount in the souq.

That will help mitigate the brain frying effects of the seem that seem to have unfortunately afflicted you
I'm way ahead of you on the shemagh, but I'll avoid investing in anything Made-in-the-UK, thanks. The last time I accidently forgot not to, she did my head in worse than the Saudi sun and 121.5 jabber combined.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:44
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It is quite simple.

When you operate in UK airspace, you obey UK laws.

That includes using the 121.5 frequency for approved uses, which do not include acting as guard police, but do include practice pans and training fixes.

Are we clear now?

If you don't like it, do not operate in UK airspace, it's your choice.
 
Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:46
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I'm way ahead of you on the shemagh, but I'll avoid investing in anything Made-in-the-UK, thanks. The last time I accidently forgot not to, she did my head in worse than the Saudi sun and 121.5 jabber combined.
You've been drinking too much Saudi champagne, by the sound of things.
 
Old 22nd Mar 2010, 21:59
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con-pilot quote;

Okay, as it obvious that this thread has turned into a bash the US feeding frenzy, that will soon be shut down or moved to JB I'll answer your question
WF.

You're not going to like the answer, but never the less it is the truth.

What country has produced the most aircraft of all types? The US.

What country has more aircraft per capita than any other country? The US.

What country has the most airlines? The US.

What country has the most airliners? The US

What country has eight of top ten the busiest airports, including the busiest when aircraft operations are counted, in the world? The US.

What country has the most General Aviation (private aircraft) in the world per capita? The US.

What country in the world has the most licensed pilots, student through ATP, per capita? The US.
R/T elocution trumps all that, CP. And practice PANning on 121.5. And triangulation. And castles.

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You've been drinking too much Saudi champagne, by the sound of things.
Yeah, I know. That's what made me forget not to in the first place. But on the other hand, it apparently wasn't as much as I should have because she was sufficiently pleased enough to keep coming around.

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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 22:02
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Guys

You need to watch 'The Mouse that Roared.'

YouTube - The Mouse That Roared
 
Old 22nd Mar 2010, 22:09
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It is quite simple.

When you operate in UK airspace, you obey UK laws.
Uh, well duh.

When I fly in Chinese airspace I obey Chinese laws.

When I fly in Russian airspace I obey Russian laws.

When I fly in any other country's airspace I obey their laws.

(There are manuals for that you know.)

Now very simply, just what is your point?

And no, when I fly in UK airspace I do not ask for practice 'Pan-Pan's. As far as I am aware of, there is no aviation law stating that I do so.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 22:26
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So...this has become truely pathetic...I hope you guys are proud of yourselves....out.
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 22:47
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R/T elocution trumps all that, CP. And practice PANning on 121.5. And triangulation. And castles.
Quite correct, I forgot the castles. I actual lived in a castle in England when I was child. Well, in a small part of the castle anyway.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

That includes using the 121.5 frequency for approved uses, which do not include acting as guard police, but do include practice pans and training fixes.

Are we clear now?

If you don't like it, do not operate in UK airspace, it's your choice.
Just where did I say I didn't like UK rules? It doen't matter to me what the UK rules are, I will follow them when I fly in the UK. Full stop.

I am not a Guard Cop, okay.

I don't ask for practice Pan-Pan's, okay. If you have a need to, fine, but don't demand that I like to hear it over the radio.

Are we clear now, or do I have to draw you a picture.

Now, do you follow the US rules/laws when you fly in US airspace? Do you follow the rules/laws of other countries when you operate in them? I do, I always have.

Or do you even fly outside of the EU?
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Old 22nd Mar 2010, 23:52
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Or do you even fly outside of the EU?
Yep.

Quite a lot in the USA as part of that time.

Always learned the local rules and followed them, always learned the local ways and fitted in, never bitched about the differences.

Always enjoyed flying inthe US and the hospitality across there.

And if I fly in the UK, I follow the rules, know the local ways, don't bitch aboiut the differences.......
 
Old 23rd Mar 2010, 00:50
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Always enjoyed flying inthe US and the hospitality across there.
Great, if you ever RON in KOKC give me a call, I'll buy the first round. Pretty sure I'll be around, retired old fart now.
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 08:43
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Nice one fellas, a good thread reduced to Willy Waving...now we have all been sent to JB.

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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 10:22
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I've done about half my flying in the US, and about half in Europe - and have been equally untroubled by people on 121.5 in either location. I've also met many wonderful Americans, and not yet had the misfortune to meet any who are nearly as "up themselves" as 411A.

Long may my good fortune continue!
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 15:35
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Okay, as it obvious that this thread has turned into a bash the US feeding frenzy, that will soon be shut down or moved to JB I'll answer your question
WF.
You're not going to like the answer, but never the less it is the truth.
What country has produced the most aircraft of all types? The US.
What country has more aircraft per capita than any other country? The US.
What country has the most airlines? The US.
What country has the most airliners? The US
What country has eight of top ten the busiest airports, including the busiest when aircraft operations are counted, in the world? The US.
What country has the most General Aviation (private aircraft) in the world per capita? The US.
What country in the world has the most licensed pilots, student through ATP, per capita? The US.
I could go on, but I think this will suffice.
Could just possibly the reason the US, Canada, Mexico, most of South America, the Caribbean and more than a few other countries in the world still use inches of mercury is because of cost. And no, that was not a question.
The cost of converting something to something else when it makes no difference in the operations of aircraft makes no sense. Converting makes nothing safer, more efficient or cheaper. So no reason to do it.
Like I said, you probably will not like this answer, but I really don't care
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I do not know why you think that I do not like your answer.

I have not checked all (nay, any) of your assertions, because I believe that you are probably sure of your facts, and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity. (Just a wee doubt, however, about your per capita statistics. I have no idea, but can imagine that tiny fiscal havens with low populations may have a higher per capita aircraft ownership than the norm. But it does not matter.)

Your list of US records in aviation is one I am fully prepared to accept, and one which you are fully entitled to be proud of. Why do you think I do not like it?

You got me more or less on your side when you said:
"It doen't matter to me what the UK rules are, I will follow them when I fly in the UK. Full stop"

Was it not the original nature of the thread that some contributors thought that their own version of how things should be done ought to prevail? Everywhere?
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Old 23rd Mar 2010, 15:49
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Going down the pan

How is possible to turn a thread about the use of an emergency frequency into a transatlantic bloodbath? Welcome to JB.

On the subject of getting lost on this 'little island'. It is quite easy really as the unfortunate crew of a USAF B52 discovered when they put on a stirring flypast at Blackbushe instead of the Farnborough airshow a couple of years ago. I suspect it wasn't because 121.5 was blocked by a litany of UK tyros practising their Pans of course.
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