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"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

Old 21st Oct 2008, 22:44
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Thumbs up "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."


Bendy-buses with the slogan "There's probably no God" could soon be running on the streets of London.
The atheist posters are the idea of the British Humanist Association (BHA) and have been supported by prominent atheist Professor Richard Dawkins.
BBC NEWS | England | London | 'No God' slogans for city's buses

Details of the campaign here:
Atheist Campaign
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 22:49
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There's probably no God
Are you sure?

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Old 21st Oct 2008, 22:54
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Are you sure?

Oh Jeeze, yes!
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:10
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Nice uplifting message in these times of great uncertainty - why not go the whole hog with something like "You're All Going to DIE!!!!!"

Can't argue with the sentiment though - to quote the late, great Douglas Adams "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"



PS Did you hear the one about the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic - he would lie awake at night wondering if there was a dog
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:18
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I'm afraid I find Fundamentalist Atheists as obnoxious as Fundy Christians, Muslims, etc., etc.

Come now, who gives a , what you do or don't believe, don't rub it in my face.
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:24
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A spiritual connection is a wonderful thing and it can bring many benefits, but the simple gesture of being kind to one's fellow man seems to be often too much for many affiliated persons.

Better a friendly atheist, than an unfriendly religion follower


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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:34
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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"
A garden is a lovesome thing, God wot!
Rose plot! Fringed pool! Ferned grot!
The veriest school of peace.
And yet the fool contends that God is not!
Not God!
In Gardens?
When the eve is cool?
Nay, I have a sign,
'Tis very sure God walks in mine.

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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:41
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Why 'probably'. If you are an atheist, then there is no God. No probably about it.

I don't believe in God but I'm no atheist. Why would you want to be part of a group dedicated to not believing in something that doesn't exist.
I'm quite happy to enjoy all the religious people out there dedicating themselves to a makey up supernatural being who despite all their best efforts, resolutely refuses to answer their prayers. Largely because it doesn't exist at all.

It is true that religion is given a relatively easy ride, with some of it's worst excesses tolerated. But it's a fact of life. Many people need to make sense of their pointless lives by inventing an afterlife of flower gardens and virgins.

I was brought up with God, But we drifted apart, it wasn't working. I would ask for something, he ignored me. I would do bad things, he ignored them. I worry about my evil thoughts and what he would think. But he cared less. I would blame him for all the bad things that happened to me. But he had no conscience and kept letting them happen.

Actually in truth, I don't think I ever really believed in God. Once you finally realise the reality. It's quite interesting really. A huge invented superstition. Masses (geddit) of books on the subject. But no evidence, not a scintilla, not even the tiniest of tiny, tiny bit of tiny evidence. Santa Claus is more credible, fairies are almost plausible, aliens nearly seem real. (Leprechauns do exist though. Everyone knows that). But Gods are non existent, invented by primitive people to try and explain their primitive existence. But since maintained by complex civilisations in order to control their populations of primitives.

But it is a tribute to our relative sophistication that we can write some much interesting literature on a fictional subject and make it seem so real.

Anyway, the bus thing is just an expensive poke at religion at the expence of the humanists. If they were really humanist they would give the money to some humans to make their lives better.
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:42
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Yer,you can sit on the bus and worry about being blown up by some chaps who do believe in God instead.
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:45
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>>A spiritual connection is a wonderful thing<<

Agree, I'll have another double whisky. As for religion - rubbish.
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Old 21st Oct 2008, 23:49
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resolutely refuses to answer their prayers
That simply is not true.

But as much as there's the unshakeable faith of the true believer, there's the equally resolute stance of the commited atheist. All depends on your mindset, I suppose.......
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I believe in God, but she's a rubbish gardner.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 06:17
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I have a tough time believing in the reality presented to us. Atoms that consist of a cloud of electrons - that can be in more than one place. And now on telly tonight, a repeat of that professor that suggested multiple universes.


All of this is far harder to believe in than a designer. The chance creation of 60 Trillion cells that happen to work together to form a thinking mobile being...I always have a tough time with that one. We now know that DNA is far and away too removed from organizing those proteins to give them credit alone for our structure. I wonder if there is not an interaction with the fabric of the Universe that would account for the reading of DNA being turned into organized lifeforms


Now that we know that these cells have a ( 7nm ) membrane, and find that this whisp of matter has what in electronic terms, could be called gates, all about it's area, then I again find this tougher to believe in than a designer.

Who made the designer? Such questions just don't make any sense viewed from the eyes of us very simple entities. (That sounds familiar) We couldn't comprehend the complexity of such an intelligence, so how could we even form a question about its creation.


No intervention? I like to think there is not. That would have to be the prime directive. Anything that gave the game away would negate the experiment/test/training that's going on.

Never the less, given what I've got up to sometimes, there have been times that I've wondered. I really don't deserve to be here still.

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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 07:26
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 07:29
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Nice uplifting message in these times of great uncertainty - why not go the whole hog with something like "You're All Going to DIE!!!!!"
Relax, enjoy. Life is just a game, and none of us get out of it alive....
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 07:39
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I'm afraid I find Fundamentalist Atheists as obnoxious as Fundy Christians, Muslims, etc., etc.
As Mr Draper pointed out "Fundamentalist" atheists are not likely to blow the top of your bus off are they?

Since when was rationality fundamentalist? I notice that you're from Canada. I've never seen it, but I fundamentally believe it exists. Hardly makes me an extremist does it?
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 08:14
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River view says:

I'm afraid I find Fundamentalist Atheists as obnoxious as Fundy Christians, Muslims, etc., etc.

Come now, who gives a , what you do or don't believe, don't rub it in my face.
and much more eloquently:

Loose rivets says: I have a tough time believing in the reality presented to us. Atoms that consist of a cloud of electrons - that can be in more than one place. And now on telly tonight, a repeat of that professor that suggested multiple universes.
I am not an atheist, but an omnitheist -- I believe a little bit of everything, but prefer to rely, when things get down to the short strokes, on a logic of existence and action that is tied as closely as possible to observable Cause and Effect.

Science, while often somewhat wrong, comes far closer to the cause-effect standard than any sort of theology. On the other hand, theologies, while always definitively and often exuberantly wrong, make one feel much better about the unstoppable workings of cause-effect than do the unsympathetic arcaneries of science.

One must wonder greatly about people in positions of power who profess to be firm believers in some religious subscription, and who then yet claim to be able to make rational decisions about matters of cause and effect, such as apply to economics, physics, medicine, engineering, etc. Does one want to be endlessly driving on bridges that are designed by folks whose primary engineering concept is that "Dog will provide". One suspects that another inch of steel thickness or another thousand tons of concrete might "provide" better than holy beneficence of any sort when the going gets tough.

All people are fools. We are just silly animals that are easily confused by tasty foods, thin air, flashing lights, electric shocks, chemicals of many sorts, etcetera. The Gods work well for this. The rationale of their existence and proactivity provides Magic results for gullible creatures desperate to find substitutions for their own vast critterly gaps and chasms of understanding in regard to even the simplest matters involving cause and effect.

On the other hand, objects, be they clumps of energy in cold space or bricks on the dinner table, do not have the 'capacity' to believe. They simply are and simply do in accord with some principles that we have partly written down. One might assert that in the world of things, the principles of cause and effect apply normally and easily -- and we may name them collectively as "Thingism". Physics, Chemistry, Mechanics, Logic, Mathematics, and certain other labeled concept groups may be seen as the pillars of Thingism.

Taking a similar dialectic with facets of religious belief, one quickly sees that predominant Western religions apply solely to human beings, and only to certain tribes and selections of them. Animals are not included, nor plants nor rocks nor waves nor waters or clouds, etc. Clearly what folks revere as "religion" is mostly a rather greedy and incestuous anthropocentric narcissism, a theory with few details and lots of fuzzy 'beliefs' that may be adjusted by anyone at anytime to suit the needs of the moment. I tremble to think that people who are guided by such nonsense are in charge of anything that involves cause and effect, because their reliance on 'belief' as the supreme resolution of conflicts and questions - even ones regarding objects and objective results, guarantees a high frequency of failure in achieving the intended outcomes.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 11:48
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People "knew" the earth was flat. They also "knew" that the sun revolved around the earth.

The problem is the belief system that discourages you to look for evidence. With a "the earth is flat" mindset where you have decided a certain thing is correct and refuse to ever challenge that position, or to listen to someone with a different viewpoint you have locked yourself in. What if we had all maintained a collective mindset that worked like this? What if nobody had challenged anything but simply resigned to "knowing" that if something is the way it is then it's because God made it that way.

But I tell you what. When the preacher's son gets cancer he won't be running up to the church with that boy to light some candles and pray that the lord spare him. No he'll be in the hospital receiving the benefit of modern science, and cancer treatments that where discovered and improved upon by men and women to whom the answer "it must be the will of God" wasn't good enough.

How about we introduce prayer rooms in hospitals where the religious can enjoy prayer for their ailments? Don't bother with the emergency ward christian friend, there's the altar, here's the bible. Off you go to pray that the lord (who loves you without limit) will stop the blood from gushing out of you. If he doesn't well then clearly your death is God's will, and part of his divine plan. Are you going to defy God's will?

Me, I'll go with the doctor who can stitch me up but to each his own eh.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 12:12
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When the preacher's son gets cancer he won't be running up to the church with that boy to light some candles and pray that the lord spare him. No he'll be in the hospital receiving the benefit of modern science
Unless he's a Jehovah's Witness of course, in which case he'll demand the 'right' to let his son die to glorify his God of Love.

When these people are treated as the loonies they are, then I'll give up my 'Fundamentalist' antitheism.
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Old 22nd Oct 2008, 12:48
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The "probably" comes in because atheists are not fundamentalists. They are reasonable and rational people who accept the possibility of the existence of a god.
It's just that all evidence points to the non-existence.

I keep pressing my wife, who is a teacher at a very multi-cultural school, to remind the children that they don't have to belong to any religion at all! The teaching seems to be about comparable religion but lacks the 'no religion' possibility.

By the way, does anyone have a link and lyrics to the Spitting Images song 'Our God's better than your God'?
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