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Old 18th Oct 2007, 07:09
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I used to know a guy like this, years ago. He wouldn't know the truth if it pulled his testicles up over his head. He once claimed that his uncle had been a 'pathfinder' for the Airborne Rangers in Viet-Nam and that he had brought home an M-16 that he kept under his bed. He was from *Uxbridge* for pity's sake. Last I heard of him, he was telling everyone he was working for the largest hedge fund in Europe and living with a Playboy model. The difference with him was that he wasn't likely to get himself and everyone else in a suitable radius killed.
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 11:22
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Close but no cigar
If I were you I would stick to IT support you aint much of an inspector morse
GUYS it was a joke, OK at someone elses expence,but if you wear a pilots uniform and fly a homemade sim in your bedroom and call yourself Captain I beleive that as a professional airline pilot these guys are fair prey.
Where are my original posts and what happened to freedom of speech, I guess it dosent apply on here
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Old 18th Oct 2007, 18:22
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well 3 reds 'twas not a very good joke, was it now?

Just in case you didn't notice, it's far more worrying a guy pretending to be more than it really is, cheating his way through the industry and putting everyone else in a dangerous spot, than someone who might call himself "Captain" of a Simulator. So why the thread drift 3reds?
"Start your brain before engaging mouth!"


Btw, how secure is that right seat of yours at XL? maybe you should go back at South Wales, flying Dorniers! oh and don't forget the flask of tea and the cheese sandwich; they might get handy. How's that for a thread drift
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 15:19
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dudes, get names out there.. PM me, if any of them in my company.. big and orange.. I'll chop them
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 15:35
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My "yard stick" for what it is worth is this. I won't sign a person off unless I can sleep at night with that person at the controls of the aircraft with my wife and kids on board
In that case you aren't going to get much sleep in some airlines. With Boeing and Airbus philosophy that nothing less than full automatics are to be taught on simulator type rating courses and that hand flying is a last resort, there are pilots currently graduating who are ill-equipped to handle their aircraft in event the automatics are not available. But they are still signed out as competent for command type ratings.
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 15:40
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So what's the final take ?

After all this action, where's the flt plan ? What do you intend to DO about it?
You've reported to the FAA and got their response.
The Flt sim guys have written back to all of us
Now what ?
Maybe you are afraid this chappie might come back for you in case he came to know????
Maybe you are afraid of facing yr conciense if something went horribly wrong????
Its a moral dilemma my friend, not easily resolved.
I suggest you catch up informally wioth a lawyer and help him determine the best course of action to keep you legal and home with your feet dry
This chap will eventually end up with whatever fate has in store for him, but YOU pardner aint doin' yerself no good worrying about it
Sort it out one way or the other and get a move on!
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Old 20th Oct 2007, 18:59
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Use your common sense.. With all due respect of course. Has he said or done anything to endanger anyone? Has he been awarded a promotion as a result of his bull*&^%??

If the answer is yes, then something must be done. How must one proceed? Well, obviously his manager or C.O. is best person to confront him. Talk to someone about him.

If the answer is no, and he operates with less than the expected standard, given his so called experience.. then put him in the too small peeenis box! Obviously he feels the need to exagerate his CV, who cares!! whatever Trevor

The thread started off with someone mentioning having to train someone to fly single pilot ifr in the mountains, and he obviously had lied to get there.. Pretty simple from where I'm standing. If the guy who wrote the thread didn't speak up, well, he's just as much to blame if something went wrong. Especially if pilot in question was mentally unstable! as a mention was made would lead us to believe.

Grow some big ones and report these guys. call the CAA, and ask them to investigate them. In australia, it is taken very seriously, and if found guilty, criminal charges are filled, imagine the bearing that would have on ones scottish disclosure!
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 01:49
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scooby, thanks for bringing this to light and not taking the bait from some of the more gung-ho posters on this thread. This sort of thing is not easy to handle when those in 'authority' abrogate responsibilty. I know, I've had to deal with a similar situation myself.

That was years ago as an instructor and the situation was very similar. A padded out log book that was completely at odds with the (lack of) flying ability. I refused to sign him off and he went elsewhere but the aviation regulators were not interested as he was seeking a validation of his overseas licence so 'not their problem'.

I recently recently encountered someone making similar claims who has wangled the position of chief pilot. Young pilot, claiming multi-thousand hours in all types and telling different stories to different people. A bit of digging also reveals a shady past involving alleged fraud and deception. This time though it seems to suit the operator who has hired him the owner being just as big a bullshitter as the 'pilot' in question. Sadly I am on the outside and cannot gain any first-hand information with which to approach the authorities. I'm working on it though.

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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 10:43
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Just seen this thread - shame he's not imployed in the UK - his Criminal Record Check might have flagged this up.....
Perhaps one day?
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 11:01
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If he has worked in the USA, he will have had to apply for a visa. As he claims to have a C1/D visa, the relevant US authorities would like to know if he actually worked over there as C1/D is ony a crew visa and does not allow work.

Additionally, did he mention his previous criminal record on his visa application. If he didn't, the FAA will have their reason for a follow up with him falsifying an official document. I'm pretty sure that several other US agencies would be interested too.

BTW, the only person with the same name on the FAA airmans database shows that he had a US PPL issued on the basis of his UK PPL in 2005. His US CPL I/R was issued in January 2007. So, what, if any professional licences did he have before January this year?
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 11:45
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What would you do??


Please send me a PM, and if he is on this part of the planet things can be done.

Give me only the name and the place where this occured.

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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 13:08
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We had a similar but not that severe case here in Germany. Luckily the word was spread and everyone knows what's going on. He's a pathological liar as well, poor guy!
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 13:42
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Scooby, you are doing exactly the right thing. There is no room for idiots like that in this business.

Well done for taking a stand.
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 13:51
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What would you do.

OK Scooby,

Now that I have had time to read all of the entries on this guy I see that he is alledgedly in Africa using an FAA Commercial to fly?? And, he has just been issued a US temporary ATP??

You have contacted the New York IFO and they claim that they can't do anything? That is correct as they don't have anything concrete to go on. An inspector can't just go and remove a certificate because someone else says he is cheating, or the guy has a big imagination on his resume..

But now he claims he has just been issued a temporary FAA, ATP?? Now that could be a diifferent matter as he would have had to show the experience in a log book in order to qualify for the check ride. If he shown false flight time to get the ATP check ride, and he has made an official claim on a medical application of more hours than he actually has an investigation can be launched. These are both federal offences. There is also a regulation that applies to ATP holders only, and that covers honesty etc. If proven the airman can lose his ATP, but not his commercial.

It has been stated that he is looking for a job flying an ATR?? Africa or not, he still has to pass an FAA check ride unless he has his FAA certificate to get a local validation?? Then of course he won't have the ATR type rating on the FAA certificate but on the local one. FAA can't touch that one.

The hours that he has claimed would have made for a very busy schedule in the short time that he has been flying, and again that should bring on the warning lights.

That is the avenue that should be explored. A copy of his log book would be required and the examiner who did the ATP ride would have to be involved once the IFO has started an investigation.

Once again allegations on PPRuNe should not be used to smear anyone, but facts can get the appropriate people involved.

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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 22:28
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Looks like Mr Abignale is reading this thead intently, hopefully with sweaty palms. That's the thing about bullshit, always catches up with you - eventually.

/just a pikey PPL, but love a good public flogging
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Old 23rd Oct 2007, 23:59
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Can I make a suggestion that all of us send an email to every single one of our flying brothers and sisters and bring this thread to their attention. And encourage them to also send emails to their flying buddies as well as their Flight Operations Managers/Recruitment Managers etc. I for one am sending a link to this thread to the Flight Operations Manager of my current and previous airlines to try and make sure he never gets a job as a professional pilot in my country (UK). If the authorities are not in a hurry to stop this walter mitty from killing lots of people then surely the worldwide pilot community can by helping to expose this prat for what he is. All of us in this industry know that word of mouth is sometimes great for getting a job. Let's get this [email protected] on a worldwide "un-official blacklist".


Well done mate. I don't want to sound condescending but I'm proud of you. By bringing this guy to the attention of the international pilot community there's no way of telling how many lives you may have saved. If ever I meet you, I'll be buying you a beer.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 00:17
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would also be interesting to know if he has declared his convictions to the FAA/JAA when he applied for his licence- if not THAT is falsifying official documents etc
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 04:51
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This is starting to sound like a repeat of 'The Guvnor' saga (albeit not quite so serious yet, though with the potential by the looks of it.)

I think there is no way anyone with this personality is going to reform sufficiently to legitimately function as a commercial pilot, in any capacity.

Edited to add, if he really IS in Africa, and he maintains his interest in 13 year old girls, he may find justice being meated out W. African style!
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 11:26
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I will advise the guys at the forum of Flight1, they happen to be personal friends of mine... I also informed my company regarding this guy.
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Old 24th Oct 2007, 13:53
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Sent link to this thread to my LX pilot friends asking them to spread it around,...

Fly safe

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