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Pilot fired for allowing unauthorised flight deck visit

Old 6th Oct 2007, 10:44
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Pilot fired for allowing unauthorised flight deck visit

Hero pilot sacked for letting footballer Robbie Savage on the flight deck

Pablo Mason strikes again!

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Old 6th Oct 2007, 10:47
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Quite right too. Only pretty chicks shouldbe allowed on the flight deck.

Seems unfaor though - esp as a charter flight. If you were on a Gulfstream no one would have mentioned it.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 10:53
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If it was a private charter then the Pax are prescreened and the rules do not apply. It is a pity that JAA does not have different parts like in the US. This would normally be a Part 135 operation! Send the management to Iraq they could replace Sadam!
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 10:55
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He is quite right in saying:
Rules are made for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.

I wish there would be common sense in this world!
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:15
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sad situation--

when the dead fish, which inevitably float to many top management positions, cannot exercise any brains at all.

someone must have dis-liked him and was looking for the first chance to kick him out.

i hope reason wins out on this one.

if wars were fought by "rule followers" we'd be in big trouble.

principles--yes, rules--not always.

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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:16
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Hmm, obviously put a lot of thought into that reply Ray!

What's the problem? If company policy says no visitors to flight deck then that's that, whether you like it or not. This individual obviously decided he was above such menial things as rules and regulations and has paid the price. And it's not the first time he has hit the headlines! http://www.uk-airport-news.info/birm...ews-281106.htm
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:23
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This man seems to be a rebel
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:30
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Thumbs down

"Nice" company culture ... if you are getting sacked for something like this.

I understand and agree that rules need to be followed. If not, actions need to be taken. In my opinion this was not really the best way to handle this breach of rules.

Although the managers maybe expected something else .. it results in some bad publicity as well .....
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:37
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I think that Ray's post just about covers it I'm afraid.

He have here a well respected Captain who is not afraid to push a few boundaries in order to make a point. Ok so a few rules were broken but nothing dangerous occured here. At most some sort of reprimand would have sufficed. It's all got out of hand and escalated out of control. Inevitably we are going to see an embarrassing climb down and everything will be back to normal..I hope so.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:41
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We have a zero-tolerance policy towards any actions which could endanger the safety of our passengers and employees
Surely they would have to prove this was the case.
Common sense should prevail that this was a massive over the top response.
At what point was everyone's life put at danger?

This world has gone bonkers & never better demonstrated by various rules / procedures devised by the DfT & now My Travel too.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:49
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Go Pablo!

Hope common sense prevails.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:54
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This is the trouble with aviation these days, as you are not allowed to think and use your brain anymore.

Here is a man that has shown more guts defending his country, with distinction, than those clowns that call themselves "management." ever will. If the management had a half a brain between them, a verbal warning would have been more than enough.

Who said that the terrorists are not winning, as this is one of their aims, to disrupt normal life as we know it as much as possible and boy they are doing that alright.

Good luck Pablo with your action and I hope you "take them to the cleaners"!
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:54
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Common sense should prevail that this was a massive over the top response.
Well the airlines lost any sense of common sense after 9/11. Anyone that isn't flight crew is considered terrorists even after the extensive screening passengers go through. Including famous footballers

What I think is horrible is that they don't even let children see the flight deck anymore. Shame on the airlines for robbing children of this experience
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 11:56
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That has the makings of a PR disaster for MYT.

Hope so.

Mind you, anyone who gives Robbie Savage the time of day deserves to be shot.

Can you believe he has an 'Armani' logo tattooed on his leg.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:18
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"Rules are made for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools".

Unfortunately a much used and mis-used expression.

The intention is that fools will obey rules, they know nothing else. Wise men will be guided by them since they understand them and appreciate the necessity of rules, not that they are left open to interpretation.

That said, I think in this instance that the employer has overplayed their hand and that Pablo is correct, it was a private charter and not subject to public transport rules, or was it?
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:20
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Pablo Mason is famously unconventional and obviously has a strong personality. He had his problems with the RAF. I read his book and it struck me that many of the problems were probably down to his attitude, rightly or wrongly, to superior officers or managers.
I suspect management were lying in the long grass waiting for him to step out of line again. They got their excuse. However utterly absurd it appears to us this is the proverbial straw. Letting a famous footballer on a private charter visit the flight deck is nothing more than a technical breach of the rules and represents a zero security risk. I don't know if the modern world of corporate 'bravo sierra' and management double talk can cope with strong personalities any more.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:34
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Wish I had an airline. I would welcome him and his big brass ones.
Be lucky
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:38
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Unfortunately when it comes to operating an aircraft or maintaining its security, rules are rules and there is no scope for personal interpretation.

Personally I think the time has come for a relaxation of the rules for cockpit visits where there is clearly no chance of a security risk but sadly I don't make the rules!
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:42
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Management needed an excuse to shaft him and they got one.

They own the football.
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Old 6th Oct 2007, 12:45
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The question is, which fool felt the need to "tell" on him...?

The quote about rules being for fools and guidance of wise men is most apt when considering that third party - why did they feel the need to cause an upset, when a face to face chat with the Captain in question would have removed the matter from their mind, while reminding that Caption that his employer does not permit him to allow flight deck visits.

Needlessly OTT.
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