Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

Terror on holiday jet

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

Terror on holiday jet

Old 4th Sep 2007, 08:55
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: EGSS
Age: 58
Posts: 61
Terror on holiday jet

Yet more obscene overstatement in the Daily Mail today talking of pax screaming in terror at a GA.
p7lot is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 08:59
  #2 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: A little world of my own - Planet Spandit
Posts: 510
Well, he did only miss the other aircraft by a few hundred feet...
I look forward to the Daily Mail article about GA's giving you cancer
Richard Spandit is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:14
  #3 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: UK FIR
Posts: 256
I am sure the Daily Mail will link this to a house price crash in the UK. Why do they bother writing this rubbish?
G-AWZK is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:23
  #4 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London
Age: 43
Posts: 39
Same story on thisislondon.com
I've submitted a reply pointing out that this is a non story but it doesn't seem to have appeared yet.....
daxwax is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:24
  #5 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 233

Now that's a go-around! (Not my video)

Seriously though, there should be a ban on writing articles like that. No wonder theres so many fearful flyers. I suppose they do sell papers though.
RingwaySam is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:27
  #6 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The front end and about 50ft up
Posts: 510
I assume that the ensuing nosedive terror-plummet was caused by an air pocket. It is fortunate that the brave pilot wrestled with the joystick to avoid the nearby orphanage / hospital / school / newspaper offices. Did the petrol make the engines stall (again)? We should be told.
Fg Off Max Stout is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:31
  #7 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Location: Location!
Posts: 1,832
" .... the pilot forced the plane up using a surge of power which made the engines roar"

Well I never - as Confucius said "What comes around goes around"!

Union Jack is online now  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:41
  #8 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: At Home
Posts: 78
I hate to think how much the pax screamed when they got into a taxi to go to the hotel! Oh and those slides at the aquapark.

Far more scary than a controlled go around.

Another reason not to read the Daily Mail.
On standby is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 09:58
  #9 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: 24/7 Hardcore Heaven
Posts: 526
I am actually lost for words....
mr.777 is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:14
  #10 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 7,383
Thats right guys, salve your own precious little egos by demeaning your cargo who have absolutely no idea what is happening
I was on an operating table today getting a tumor removed under local anesthetic. Did I hear the nurse say "Ohmigod look at that!" or similar words, or some Latin, or nothing? Nope, all I got was constant reassurance about what was happening and what I was about to feel. Result: A (relatively) calm Sunfish, slightly lighter than he was before.

My experience is that smart professional pilots leave their passengers little room or motivation to contribute to scare stories by telling them whats going on and why, and effectively making them part of the story.

But don't listen to me. Demean your passengers for their fears if it makes you feel good.
Sunfish is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:24
  #11 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Auckland, NZ
Posts: 145
I was on an operating table today getting a tumor removed under local anesthetic. Did I hear the nurse say "Ohmigod look at that!" or similar words, or some Latin, or nothing? Nope, all I got was constant reassurance about what was happening and what I was about to feel. Result: A (relatively) calm Sunfish, slightly lighter than he was before.

Yes you are totally right; if I was in a similar situation I would always much preferred it if the captain came through on the PA and said - "I have seen a plane on the runway a few hundred feet in front of us, I'll therefore have to pull up to avoid it, you may notice that the engines will get a bit louder and you'll be pushed back into your seat, but don't worry it is totally normal."

However I imagine that by the time he got around to "I have seen a plane ..." we would have already crashed into it and be overcome by a big ball of burning flames.

Therefore I'll go with the "don't tell us until after the event" option.

James 1077 is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:30
  #12 (permalink)  
Paxing All Over The World
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Hertfordshire, UK.
Age: 63
Posts: 8,872
Sunfish, I think that you are shouting at the wrong people. If the medical staff that took care of you had said bad things - that would be wrong but they might have said bad things after you left the surgery (Did you see how flabby his legs were?)

What we have here in this thread is folks complaining about a Newspaper that has tried to make more money out of the misery of passengers. Even IF the passengers had received a beautiful announcement from the flight deck, this horrible newspaper would still have printed this nonsense.

I cannot see how folks making bad remarks about a newspaper becomes making bad remarks to the paxs face. Which is the comparison you are making.
PAXboy is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:33
  #13 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: LGW
Posts: 951
Oh honestly.

How many times do you think that happened that day to other people who didn't have the chance to get their name in a paper by saying stupid things like "I could see the fuel tanks, we were that close". Providiing its CAVOK you can see the fuel tanks from 38,000ft for sake!

No one who wasnt actaully on that aircraft knows what information was given to the pax, but I will guarantee you one thing if every pax was asked what they were told you would not get the same answer from everyone, because its such a non-event most either didn't notice or didn't listen, and yes pax do routinely not notice the dancing with death manouvere that all us steely eyed heros do that we call a Go-around and the press call a dance with death while everyone screams in horror, oh my god we are all going to die, save me, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, honestly grow up or go watch road accidents, you'll find they occur more frequently but don't sell newspapers!

Rant over!
ezydriver is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:34
  #14 (permalink)  

A Runyonesque Character
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: The South of France ... Not
Age: 70
Posts: 1,209
How about a pre-recorded cabin announcement, activated automatically by the engine and attitude changes?

It needs to be succinct, and probably quite loud. A simple DON'T PANIC! should suffice.
The SSK is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:57
  #15 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: BHX
Posts: 95

Well - My F/O and I nearly killed all our passengers 4 times yesterday when our aeroplane plummeted towards the tarmac at over a 120mph. Just at the last minute we managed to stuggle with the controls close to the runway and eventually pulled off 4 greasers. I am so alarmed at the danger of getting so close to the ground that I have suggested to the company that we should land at at least 500 feet up
Thumperdown is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 10:58
  #16 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Near Glasgow
Posts: 21
I agree with PAXBOY. It's the sensationalist reporting that is such a bore. Had a long delay at Naples many years ago at the take off point whilst ATC recovered a light aircraft who had got "a little unsure of his position". I gave a couple of p.a.'s keeping the people who pay my wages in the picture until the l.a. was on the ground. Once airborne the purser came in to say there was a nervous pax. complaining that I shouldn't have told them that an aircraft had got lost etc. Had a word with the gentleman, apologised if he was nervous and yes I should have told a pack of lies!!! Two days later I had a letter from the Company from another pax. complimenting the Capt on his p.a.'s telling everyone what was going on!
Sorry if this is a little off thread but weren't we talking about COMMUNICATION? Let the people know when you have time,which I'm sure the BMI Captain did after landing.
BFLIGHT is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 11:12
  #17 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The Burrow, N53:48:02 W1:48:57, The Tin Tent - EGBS, EGBO
Posts: 2,298
A simple DON'T PANIC! should suffice.
As in Coporal Jones' effort? He of Dad's Army? The mind boggles just thinking about the result that could have.
DX Wombat is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 11:26
  #18 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: EGSS
Age: 58
Posts: 61
I don't consider myself a "steely eyed hero" .......just a highly trained professional pilot, but I will say that when we decide on a GA, which I might add is a STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.......the flight deck is a busy place. Any pilot will tell you that the first rule is to always "fly the aircraft" and not inform the pax as to your next command.
Likening a go around to the horror at Tenerife or using words such as "dive" to an unqualified public is unhelpful at best.
Quoting TCAS alert information is just as immotive and misleading to the extreme.
If any "hacks" are reading this thread then SHAME ON YOU......
p7lot is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 11:34
  #19 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 1998
Location: UK
Posts: 105
There were TWO go arounds in the space of ten minutes at around one in the morning at EGGW a few nights ago - some rather bizarre radar vectoring in clear weather. I expect it'll be on the BBC National News tonight ......
jshg is offline  
Old 4th Sep 2007, 11:43
  #20 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 621
....and the plane miraculously avoided the schoolbus/kindergarten/children's hospital (please select most suitable word) when it veered off....

Oww come on!!!!

Here we go again. Ladies and gentlemen, I suppose we give this journo the same treatment we gave Colum Kenny a few months ago. (Irish Independent) See this thread:


Mr. Kenny was contacted via e-mail and asked to join PPRuNe, so he could "explain" himself....It helped. Not too much later, he placed a sort of rectification article in his newspaper with a much more balanced view.

BTW: his name is James Mills....
fox niner is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.