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Old 20th Sep 2011, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Jane-DoH View Post
....claiming that aliens might try to wipe out life on Earth
Why would they bother? We seem to be doing quite a nice job all by ourselves (not with AGW, but just by generally making the planet uninhabitable - water, resources, etc.). Give it another 200 years at the most.

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Old 20th Sep 2011, 23:41
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Why would they bother? We seem to be doing quite a nice job all by ourselves (not with AGW, but just by generally making the planet uninhabitable - water, resources, etc.). Give it another 200 years at the most.
200 years, wish we had that long, I'd be long gone by then. The way things are going I'd say politics of the world will be our big undoing, if we get 50 years I'll be happy.
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Old 25th Sep 2011, 08:10
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Climate change may leave Mount Everest ascent ice-free, say climbers
Mission launched to measure change in Himalayas as anecdotal evidence grows of melting ice on mountain's southern approach





Suzanne Goldenberg
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 24 September 2011 19.16 BST


Climate change may soon leave Mount Everest a rock climb, rather than an ice climb, experts suggest. Photograph: Steve Satushek/Getty Images
Climbers and custodians of Everest say that rapid climate change could soon make for an ice-free ascent of the world's tallest mountain.

Their warning comes come amid a new international effort to gauge the effects of climate change in the Himalayas – and shield local people from potential hazards. A US-funded mission, led by the Mountain Institute, is meeting in Kathmandu to try to find practical solutions to the threat of catastrophic high-altitude flooding from lakes forming at the foot of melting glaciers.

Scientists acknowledge they have yet to form a complete picture of the changes under way in the high Himalayas. The task of offering a definitive scientific account of the extent of melting is daunting – and not just because the area is so vast and inaccessible. Scientists are still working to recover from a PR disaster early last year when it emerged that a United Nations report on climate change had claimed – wrongly – that the Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035.

Rupert Murdoch's HarperCollins went through a similar exercise in humiliation when its new Times Atlas claimed up to 15% ice loss had taken place in Greenland – a finding immediately disputed by scientists as an exaggeration.

But growing anecdotal evidence, from climbers and local people, suggests climate change is making a strong impact even well above the 8,000m line, with signs of melting ice on the southern approach to Everest.

"When I climbed Mount Everest last year I climbed the majority of ice without crampons because there was so much bare rock," said John All, an expert on Nepal glaciers from the University of Western Kentucky. "In the past that would have been suicide because there was so much ice."

He said the terrain he crossed was very different from the landscapes described by earlier generations of climbers. Historic photographs of the Everest region also showed a longer and deeper covering of ice.

Everest Base Camp, which occupies a high rocky plateau next to the Khumbu glacier, has undergone similar changes, said Tshering Tenzing Sherpa, who has overseen rubbish collection at the site for the past few years. The summer monsoon months brought several deep new crevasses in the black ice beneath the rocks, he added. "Everything is changing with the glaciers."

Climate change may leave Mount Everest ascent ice-free, say climbers | Environment | The Observer
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 10:21
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An independent climate science think tank produces evidence from a leading infrared thermometer manufacturer proving that climatologists were mistakenly taking incorrect readings of atmospheric temperatures. Latest findings are set to trigger a paradigm shift in climate science.

Researchers from Canada, USA, Mexico and Britain this week announce a startling discovery that destroys 20 years’ of thinking among government climatologists.

Climate scientists had long believed infrared thermometers measured thermal radiation from the atmosphere and assumed it was 'proof' of the greenhouse gas effect (GHE). Their assumption was that infrared thermometers (IRT’s) were measuring ‘back radiated’ heat from greenhouse gases (including water vapor and carbon dioxide). But damning new evidence proves IRT's do no such thing.

Now a world-leading manufacturer of these high-tech instruments,
Mikron Instrument Company Inc., has confirmed that IRT’s are deliberately set to AVOID registering any feedback from greenhouse gases. Thus climate scientists were measuring everything but the energy emitted by carbon dioxide and water vapor.

One of the researchers involved, Alan Siddons, has analyzed the GHE for over six years. He has long condemned the practice of using IRT’s as a means of substantiating the increasingly discredited hypothesis.


Link to the full article here :-

John O'Sullivan: Thermometer Manufacturer Destroys Greenhouse Gas Warming Myth | Climate Realists
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 10:58
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I haven't see anything referening IRTs as evidence of global warming
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 12:17
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I've been trying to dig deeper into this and elsewhere somebody has made a good point that surely any scientist using a thermometer would specify the spectrum to be covered and the purpose for it, something not quite right here I admit.
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Old 27th Sep 2011, 13:57
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For the umpteenth time, ICE is gone missing not because it's warming, ICE melts every year. The ICE is not RETURNING, and that is because of DROUGHT, a signature of a COOLING GLOBE.

Less K to evaporate the SEA, and less WIND to distribute what little there is to the Poles.

(It also SUBLIMES)
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Lyman View Post
(It also SUBLIMES)
Stop showing your SUBLIME ignorance, Lieman.

Ice can sublimate. Whether that's significant in the 'climate change' debate is another question.

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Old 28th Sep 2011, 23:33
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sublime: transitive verb: 1. To cause to pass directly from the solid to the vapor state.

Speaking English how long, are we?

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Old 29th Sep 2011, 02:21
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Drove yesterday down the 401 towards Windsor ON. Uncountable wind turbines about, I would guess, 2 to 3 MW each. About a third were turning. Just saying...

After an excellent landing etc.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 08:20
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Team Al Gore caught fabricating their Climate Video " Simple Experiment " during their Climate Reality project last week.

Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video “Simple Experiment” | Watts Up With That?
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 09:56
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NEWSPAPERS should refrain from publishing the opinions of average Australians, academic Robert Manne has said.
Professor Manne says they should report only the views of a "core" of experts in key debates.

Professor Manne, who described climate change as the most serious threat facing the planet, has said only experts within the "core" of the scientific consensus should be heard.




"I do not believe it makes sense for non-scientists to have views on scientific issues," he told the gathering at Gleebooks, in inner Sydney.
"They should get scientists in the consensual core to debate it
So, in essence, this is a souped up version of Goebbels' propaganda theories.

If their "science" is so right then why are they afraid of ordinary people speaking out.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 10:01
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Manne, therefore, would presumably also prefer it were the "settled science" not be driven down the throats of the public by a politician and a railway engineer.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 13:02
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Originally Posted by Lyman View Post
sublime: transitive verb: 1. To cause to pass directly from the solid to the vapor state.
OK, it's in both Webster and the OED.
However, you can sublime ice, but the ice itself sublimates.
I've never seen 'sublime' used in this context.

Speaking English how long, are we?
Just about sixty years....

CJ

PS : Apology for the nitpick.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 13:18
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I'm happy we're 'talking' again. Thanks for the reply.

Be well.
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Old 30th Sep 2011, 14:44
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Positive proof

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Old 30th Sep 2011, 14:54
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Nice one, ChristiaanJ. I notice there's nothing at all for 2011. Cause for celebration, I think!
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Old 1st Oct 2011, 08:03
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Interesting links on the money Hansen, against the US government rules, is earning from his AGW work...

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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 01:00
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But Ms Manney said the last northern winter was abnormally cold.
"Usually in the Arctic in the northern hemisphere there is only just a little bit of ozone loss, because it isn't that cold for that long," she said.
"This year it was cold for longer than usual

But over the last few decades, the winters that are cold have been getting colder.
the air remained at its coldest for an unusually long period of time, and covered an unusually large area
Ahh, yes - global warming. Helloooo......any "scientist" listening? Mr Gore?
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