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Old 17th Jan 2011, 01:48
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Contrary to computer models, the empirical evidence from the gulf oil spill showed that the methane gas concentrations came back to normal within months after a massive release.
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Meant to say silicosis.
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Old 17th Jan 2011, 19:25
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IBM is famous for such things...


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Old 17th Jan 2011, 20:58
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Really?

Suspect research:

Scientists warn California could be struck by winter ‘superstorm’ - Yahoo! News

Oh and more disproof of catastrophic global warming:

Richard Lindzen: A Case Against Precipitous Climate Action | Watts Up With That?

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Old 17th Jan 2011, 21:25
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a little further creep

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Old 18th Jan 2011, 04:41
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After he was caught red handed by Steve McIntyre for copying and pasting, Kevin Trenberth has now amended his speech for the AMS removing all plagiarised parts, but without change notice.

The scientific way when you make changes on a public document is to issue a change notice, stating where all changes have been made. Not doing that and quietly changing what you stated before, after you were caught fibbing and then not mentioning changes, is an act of dishonesty.

Trenberth and Lifting Text Verbatim #2 Climate Audit

And the scientific way is also to acknowledge the person who pointed out the errors. But that again involves honesty in the first place, something the climategate community have never exhibited. Here's their record when it comes to " acknowledgements "

Team Policy on Acknowledgements Climate Audit

Read it and weep. These are the kind of people who are in charge of climate science.
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 05:46
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Given below is Queensland Government's Climate Change Report.

http://www.climatechange.qld.gov.au/...t-chapter4.pdf

They have mentioned " drought " 24 times in the report. Not once have they talked about or considered floods. If they didn't even consider the possibility of floods, one wonders what kind of preparedness they had to deal with it.
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 13:41
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United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) International President Cecil E. Roberts issued the following statement:

"Sen. John McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, have once again demonstrated that they are willing to say anything and do anything to win this election. Their latest twisting of the truth is about coal and some comments Sen. Obama made last January about the future use of coal in America."

Fast forward 2 years

EPA stunner: pulls permit for major, already-in-use coal mine in WVA January 15, 2011
http://procinct.net/index.php/2011/0...l-mine-in-wva/

Think Cecil gets it now? Kinda reminds me of the old frog and snake story.
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 14:43
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The EPA (key word "administration") is an agency. As such it has power to enforce, through the powers of the Executive, Regulations. Not LAWS. Think about this. This is an ex-judicial levy, a tax, a fine, an unennabled confiscation and illegal seizure, again, without benefit of due process.

Now, add to that the "Pre-Emption" of Congress, and the fact that it acted prior to restraint by Congress, in essence ex post facto.

This is not only chilling, it is absurd. An assumption of Power that does not exist, it is similar to the independent declaration of Carbon Dioxide as a pollutant. These agencies are acting extra legally. This action is a thinly disguised ploy to increase the cost of and availability of Power. It is purely political, and has AGW's stench about it. This heavy handed extinguishment of a legally operating business, is quite a bit more presumptuous than anything the King himself ever attempted.

So, how does the FED enforce?? Does not anyone notice the complete absence of any power behind the proclamation? The "Consent of the Governed?" ATF?? FBI?? Tanks from the "National" Guard?? At some point, and with perhaps a sigh rather than a bang, someone will call the Bluff of these pantywaisted Federal Lawyers.

The Wizard is a little man, behind a bristling Curtain. This is getting embarrassing.

Like Souter's "Eminent Domain", has critical Thinking left the building, FFS??

The American People have more power in their middle fingers than "Obama" has in the National arsenal. This is not a Poker game, not any more. The FED has been all-in in every pot, without the cards to back it up. Will someone just once, say "CALL"???
 
Old 19th Jan 2011, 01:39
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Thumbs up Tell It Like It Is Sophie!

Sophie Mirabella has a say about the latest weather extremes:
While devastating floodwaters recede in the north even as they rise in the south, Australians are understandably shocked by what has occurred in the past few weeks.

It could happen again. Photo: Getty Images.
The extent of the tragedy and loss of life, property and infrastructure is indeed numbing. It is heartbreaking. And it is incomprehensible to those of us not directly involved.
But the downpour, while rare, is not of itself unique.
The lessons of history point to similar events of equal or even greater magnitude peppered relatively regularly through the 200 plus year of our recorded history (and indeed alluded to in indigenous Dreamtime stories).
In Brisbane and Ipswich the flood of 1974 is “living memory” legend. But in fact the Brisbane River experienced major flood incidents in 1841, 1890, 1893, 1931 and 1974. Indeed, the highest to date was the 1841 flood, and the highest in the Brisbane CBD was the 1893 flood.
That’s an average of a major flood less than every 30 years. And they are even more frequent on the Bremer River, which runs through Ipswich.
Yet for some reason, prior to this month, many people seemed to adopt an “it couldn’t happen again” approach and turned a blind eye to the lessons of history.
Instead of actively planning for the inevitable reoccurrence of a devastating flood, it appears that many town planners, engineers and above all their political masters, have simply denied the past.
Yes, the Wivenhoe Dam was built as part of a flood mitigation strategy after 1974. But in recent times it wasn’t managed as part of that strategy. Water was kept in storage rather than released ahead of the big wet – almost in denial of the Dam’s original purpose.
Maybe those in charge too readily believed the hype of Flannery and his alarmist friends that the human race had become all-powerful “weather makers” scorching the earth. Certainly in 2007 former Queensland Premier Peter Beattie argued that it would never rain to such an extent again due to mankind’s impact on the planet.
Conveniently, the “big wet” is now being blamed on climate change, just as the drought before it was.
But these cyclical weather patterns, with random extreme events, have always been part of our nation’s and indeed our planet’s history. They are not new. They are not more ferocious. They are not “payback” for the Queensland Coal Industry (thanks for that inane contribution Bob Brown).
They are not nature’s way of punishing modern man for his sins. They are simply natural events.
Tragically, more people and property are affected in a modern event than in those of the past because we have so many more people living in flood prone areas.
And because we have, to some extent, either ignored the lessons of the past or somehow arrogantly assumed that we have the power to alter age-old weather phenomena.
With the clean up in Queensland, NSW and Tasmania underway and some towns in Victoria and South Australia still facing threats, many argue now is not the time for recriminations.
But the time will come when, instead of denying the predictability of such an event and feebly arguing that nothing could have been done or, at the other extreme, attributing it all to man’s impact on our planet, we should get out the history books and take a close look at what happened in the past – even before man started pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.
We should learn the lessons of the past, know that another extreme event is inevitable, and we should use all our technology and resources to ensure we are better prepared to mitigate the impact of such an event.
Man won’t stop flooding rains, droughts or bushfires – but we can manage our built environment and environmental assets in a way that ensures their effect is less devastating.
It would only compound the tragedy if, in our shock and grief, we deny the lessons of history and stumble forward with an “it couldn’t happen again” approach.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 01:44
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Pugilistic Animus

IBM is famous for such things...
Smart-dust?


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Of course, fear mongering as usual. You have to keep in mind how much power these people are seeking. Global taxing requires a global taxer...


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Even though I'm well aware of most of what was written in here, I still find it horrifying and repulsive.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 02:25
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Who remembers late last year when this smart guy was rubbished by the greenie morons and its mainstream media?

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Old 19th Jan 2011, 04:40
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Agree ABX. Some people should have read of Dorothea McKellar (1885–1968) to remind themselves of the nature of the country in which we reside. No need to bold the relevant bits.


The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes,
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins.
Strong love of grey-blue distance,
Brown streams and soft, dim skies -
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror –
The wide brown land for me!

The stark white ring-barked forests,
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon,
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops,
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When, sick at heart, around us
We see the cattle die –
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back threefold.
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land –
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand –
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.

She was not a lady who came down in the last shower.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 13:44
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Here's a paper on how NOAA and NASA " adjust " data to show artificial warming trend. In reality there is no such trend and the trend has been entirely created due to their adjustments, the reasons, methods and validations for which have not been published or shown to anyone.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...010_report.pdf

And based on this fraud, they go proclaiming that 2010 is the " warmest " year, contrary to real evidence.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 13:50
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The Virginia State Attorney General is pursuing an investigation into the activities of Professor Mann (creator of the now debunked "Hockey Stick graph"!)....one of the "scientists" implicated in the Climate Gate Email scandal. Two Democratic politicians are attempting to pass laws to protect the good Professor and Universities.

No Martha....there is no politics in the AGW agenda!


Cuccinelli disputes Mann climate research in court filing - Richmond Republican | Examiner.com

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Old 19th Jan 2011, 14:17
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In a further development to the Cuccinelli - UVA - Mann case in Virginia, a couple of Democratic senators are trying to change the law that grans the Attorney General's Office the authority to launch civil investigative demands, like the one issued to UVA to disclose Mann's e-mails.

Cuccinelli-Mann probe takes a bizarre twist | Watts Up With That?

No this stinks to heaven. What's there in those mails that needs extreme steps to the extent of trying to change the laws, to prevent their disclosure? The University has spent USD 500,000 just in lawyers' fees already to avoid turning over the mails. There seems to be no doubt that there's something seriously wrong in those mails and the attempts to prevent disclosure of the mails seem to be getting more and more desperate.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 16:56
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What's there in those mails that needs extreme steps to the extent of trying to change the laws, to prevent their disclosure? The University has spent USD 500,000 just in lawyers' fees already to avoid turning over the mails. There seems to be no doubt that there's something seriously wrong in those mails and the attempts to prevent disclosure of the mails seem to be getting more and more desperate.
What will be in these mails is the bits that show Mann & Co have been lying, which would mean that "millions" of Americans will be going nuts asking where their tax dollars and/or jobs have gone due to the policies from the government which has led to *more money than I can imagine* being given in government grants to somehow prove we're destroying the planet so they can claim more money in taxes due to "environmental concerns" and spend more in grants to somehow prove that somewhere as wet as the Outer Hebrides will turn into a desert.

They know they're about to be caught out, and will take and and every step necessary to put that day off.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 19:02
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It is beyond frustrating that as early as ClimateAudit's birth, it was apparent that Mann was a flimflam man. No scientist who refuses access to the foundations of his published conclusions is in fact, a scientist.

Maddening. No publicly supported institution, in receipt of Public Funds, may withhold data so derived in the course of work done in the "Public Interest". NO DATA. It is not propietary, it cannot be secret, and if it is claimed to be "Privately owned", a Fraud has occurred. Commonly known in the Law, as "A gift of Public Funds". Knowingly witholding Public information from the Public record (on receipt of a proper FOIA), is a Felony. If two or more People are involved in such illegal act, and are in discussion with the other or others, there exists a Class One Conspiracy to Commit a Felony.

There are folks in Federal Prison for Life who have done and were convicted of, far less.

This is inescapable, cannot be brushed aside, and serves to illuminate why indeed the perpetrators are digging in.

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This is, and remains, the foundation of the discussion.
 
Old 21st Jan 2011, 11:28
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New paper on cosmic ray heating

Cosmic rays contribute 40% to global warming

Physicist and the former ISRO chairman, U.R. Rao, has calculated that cosmic rays — which, unlike carbon emissions, cannot be controlled by human activity — have a much larger impact on climate change than The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims.

In fact, the contribution of decreasing cosmic ray activity to climate change is almost 40 per cent, argues Dr. Rao in a paper which has been accepted for publication in Current Science, the preeminent Indian science journal. The IPCC model, on the other hand, says that the contribution of carbon emissions is over 90 per cent.

‘Cosmic ray impact ignored’

Releasing Dr. Rao’s findings as a discussion paper on Thursday, Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh noted that “the impact of cosmic ray intensity on climate change has thus far been largely ignored by the mainstream scientific consensus.” He added that the “unidimensional focus” on carbon emissions by most Western countries put additional pressure on countries like India in international climate negotiations.
Full article here: New paper: Cosmic rays contribute 40% to global warming | Watts Up With That?
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Old 21st Jan 2011, 17:24
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Worse yet:

Heat does not = temperature necessarily. Latent processes, cloud cover changes and heat transfer horizontally at high altitudes are ill considered and even not considered at all in GCM's.

Also I work with stats all day at my day job. I realized that all those sigma 5's are freaking impossible to arrive at, and yet that is what the climate scientists have done repeatably. Foolish on my part to trust those numbers and symbols early on in reading their results.
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Old 22nd Jan 2011, 00:19
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A predictable response from Adam Bandt to recent events in Victoria

I apologise in advance if anyone reading this feels the urge to become suddenly and violently ill. Now what was that about "If one repeats something often enough etc..."?

http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/de-kretser-right-floods-bandt
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