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Old 15th Jan 2011, 14:15
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After the warmers lose the weather, they attack the "Deniers". Having seemingly failed to regain their "sheen", they struggle on, now portraying themselves as victims.

This is classic... "Johnny stole a cookie"....

"The Data says that the Cookie Jar is Full !!"

No, John, there are cookies missing......

"You miscounted"....

No, they are gone....

"It was Helen, took 'em..."

No......

"Why are you always picking on me....."

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Old 15th Jan 2011, 15:47
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Here's the climate science community tying themselves into knots about the Queensland floods, giving conflicting reports

Queensland Floods. Climate Scientists 2010: Less Moisture Over Australia. Climate Scientists 2011: More Moisture Over Australia | hauntingthelibrary

The post concludes aptly as follows

" So which is it, guys? Does global warming mean more moisture over Australia and therefore floods, or less moisture over Australia and therefore drought? Does it mean warmer winters and therefore less snow, or colder winters and therefore more snow?
Can you at least get your stories straight?"
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 18:44
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I don't know if this sites been mentioned on here but it's worth a visit. CO2 Science
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 20:18
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AoA, keep it up with the predictions. Join many others on the AGW warpath in the Chicken Little camp. I don't mind logical arguments (and sometimes illogical), but I love the predictable response to every modern day weather event from the AGW crowd..."We can expect more of xxxx (insert appropriate WX concern) because of global warming." So easy for the media to find a first class d'head only too willing to prophesy on the effects of "global warming". Afterall, what news is there in finding someone for a sound grab who says "Nothing out of the ordinary"?

Two years ago, we were facing continuing drought and heat because of "global warming". Desal plants and all. Now we have flooding, cooler temps and lo and behold, it's because of "global warming". Never mind that Australia's history is one of droughts, floods and droughts again. Never let the facts get in the way of a good scare campaign eh? Ask anyone older than 45 about the cyclones that used to come down the Qld coast past Moreton Bay. The consensus of one coming down in combination with prolonged heavy rains and a high tide is that it will be devastating on many of the developments and canals that have been built in the last 35 years on reclaimed mangrove swamps. And the pro-AGWers will blame that on "global warming" too. I'll make a prediction that should be relatively safe...there'll be another cyclone that will come down the coast of Qld. Just a matter of time.

Four years of cold winter temperatures in Europe are blamed on "global warming". (The UK Met office gave up on long term WX predictions because a coin toss had a better probablility of being correct. Didn't stop the Met Office rhetoric about "global warming".) The low temps and snow in the NE USA have been blamed on "global warming" putting more moisture in the atmosphere. (I'm still trying to work that one out.) This is despite AGW predictions of a few years ago of continually warming winters and less and less snow. AGW'ers are making predictions left, right and centre. One or two actually come to pass and they say, "Look, we were right! Heed our warnings." Any doubts about "global warming" being a religion? There are many, many self-proclaimed prophets down through the ages who have sprouted "Repent now or burn forever in hell." Seems that the pro-AGW argument is attracting them in droves. The hockey stick graph gave the pro-AGW'ers a rallying point for their predictions. Now that's been debunked, pro-AGW'ers are throwing predictions around about anything and everything. Didn't the Aussie BoM predict a drier than normal summer for Qld? As proponents of "global warming", the BoM obviously got it wrong. So now you're predicting more floods. O' great Sami! Yawn...most people are getting tired of the bulls't.

So tell me which horse will win each race at Randwick for the next few race meets. At least we can make some money off your infallible predictions before we burn in hell for doubting "global warming". Do that and I might start to believe in the accuracy of your "global warming" predictions over chance.

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Old 15th Jan 2011, 21:34
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Apart from the fact that sensors that size would not be able to monitor more than one thing at once so I doubt the "privacy" issue would arise
Yeah by all those sensors would transmit their data to nodes which could interpret all the data, and make a coherent picture.

HP would have to get all sorts of permissions and that means they would have to publish everything about these "sensors". But that's a side issue.
Unless the government began using them for surveillance purposes. It's certainly not the first time government and business teamed together for this purpose.

You got it, them buggers would get eaten, crushed, buried and blown around everywhere.
I suppose having small censors blown around could pose a problem depending on the purpose they're used for. If they were used for atmospheric research, having them get blown around everywhere would be quite useful. Secondly, if these devices ended up being used for surveillance purposes, the fact that they could float around would make them very practical.

It would not be allowed due to possible health risks as you would not only breathe these things in but they would get into the food chain.
That would be the arguments I would use against their use...

It would never happen.
I'd like to believe that. Regardless, I don't think most people would have believed years back, that companies like Monsanto were doing genetic-engineering/biotech research solely for the purpose of giving them the means to control the food supply (Yet, that is largely the case: They created crops with "terminator" genes that would prevent a plant from reproducing past a certain number of times as to produce a dependence on Monsanto for re-supplying seeds).
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 21:37
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 21:40
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Two very good posts.

Let us never forget Premier Bligh supported a 50 to 80 metre dam on the Brisbane River across from SouthBank - which went under.

The North Bank proposal was for developers to build a extension for high rise + shops out into the river, reducing its width by 50 to 80m at an already narrow point.

http://www.nationaltrustqld.org/file...nerarticle.pdf

On another note, this is interesting.

Have a look at the interactive graph.

Paleoclimatology: The Ice Core Record : Feature Articles
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 00:16
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Excellent posts, Chimbu chuckles and Lodown.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 02:03
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We do not have the technology to safely deliver such applications. In nano tech silcacosis would still pose a real risk as well as these similar apps.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 02:40
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Silicosis is a Lung malady incurred by breathing silica dust.

Siliconiosis is similar. What is the nano malady of which you speak?
 
Old 16th Jan 2011, 03:38
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One more " climate scientist " connecting Australian and Brazilian Floods to Global Warming. What a surprise?

Bogus claims on Australian and Brazilian floods from ABC and Dr. Richard Sommerville | Watts Up With That?
Keep in mind what their objectives are; once you realize what they want, it becomes very clear why they're so willing to do whatever it takes (no matter how underhanded) in order to further their objectives.

The rising waters seem to bring out a lot of scum.
It really shows the lengths they're willing to go to. On the bright side this could be used to reveal their lack of credibility. Of course, the problem is there are so many people who believe these folks.

"A lie told often enough becomes truth” as the saying goes...


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That nothing rvv, they're saying that the sun rose over Greenland 2 days early (you know, it's a winter thing where they in total darkness there for a while) because of climate change............
As some folks here say: "That's some real bovine excrement!" How exactly does climate change alter the rotational velocity of the Earth?


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Such shameless copying would get you fail marks or possibly expelled even at school level.
Yeah, I actually knew somebody who got expelled exactly for that reason.

But " climate scientists " seem to be quite consistent in exhibiting lowest standards of behaviour and brazen shamelessness.
Their motivation is to win the argument at any cost and defeat all opposition; then worry about being right (although in this case, they aren't even concerned about that)

" So which is it, guys? Does global warming mean more moisture over Australia and therefore floods, or less moisture over Australia and therefore drought? Does it mean warmer winters and therefore less snow, or colder winters and therefore more snow?
Can you at least get your stories straight?"
They were never actually expecting to get caught in their lies. In fact, if it wasn't for Climategate, they would have never received this degree of scrutiny and skepticism.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 04:00
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As some folks here say: "That's some real bovine excrement!" How exactly does climate change alter the rotational velocity of the Earth?
What they are claiming is that climate change has led to less ice in the area so the horizon is lower. Therefore the sun seems to rise earlier.

Malebovinefaeces indeed, since there was no reports like that last year and somehow I don't think that the horizon has moved.........
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 04:07
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Malebovinefaeces indeed, since there was no reports like that last year and somehow I don't think that the horizon has moved.........
Yeah, it's nonsense
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 06:39
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Brilliant rejoinder to Trenberth by Willis Eschenbach. A must read for all.

Unequivocal Equivocation – an open letter to Dr. Trenberth | Watts Up With That?

This should be circulated to all climate scientists.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 10:49
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Sagan....a choke point at the CBD...glad that one never got up.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 12:39
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Progress, Greenie Style

London to Edinburgh by electric car. Took 4 days with10 hour recharging breaks.

In 1830's, stage coaches made it in half the time.

London to Edinburgh by electric car: it was quicker by stagecoach - Telegraph
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 13:12
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Another " tipping point " bites the dust. This time it's about releases of methane from the sea floor. Contrary to computer models, the empirical evidence from the gulf oil spill showed that the methane gas concentrations came back to normal within months after a massive release.

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The models had forecast that there would be a huge feedback effect causing warming of atmosphere and oceans and causing more methane to release, resulting in a vicious circle with global warming " tipping points ".

Quelle surprise, nature and empirical evidence once again proved the models wrong. The GCM's have been quite consistent, being wrong all the time.
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 14:42
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Another nail in Pachauri’s coffin From the Telegraph

(full article winch is well worth the read.)

The 'anomalies’ of Dr Rajendra Pachauri’s charity accounts - Telegraph

The 'anomalies’ of Dr Rajendra charity accounts
Last winter, Dr Pachauri’s reputation took a hammering. On the one hand, there was the exposure of all those glaring and alarmist scientific errors in the IPCC’s last major report, produced under his guidance in 2007. On the other was the revelation in this newspaper of how his prestige as the “world’s top climate official” had coincided with a massive expansion in the fortunes of Teri, his Delhi-based research institute. Not only had Pachauri been appointed as an adviser to some of the richest banks and investment funds in the world, but Teri’s empire had mushroomed to include branches in Europe, North America, Dubai, Japan and South-East Asia.
When Dr Richard North and I came to examine this empire, our interest was drawn to Teri Europe, based in a suburban house in south London, which is registered under British law as a charity and is obliged to publish its accounts on the Charity Commission website. When we looked at these, however, they seemed rather odd. The figures showed the charity’s income and expenditure rising steadily in its early years – but from 2006 onwards they suddenly plunged to below £10,000 a year.
This was significant because £10,000 is the threshold below which a charity does not have to publish full accounts. Yet we knew that in these years Teri Europe was rapidly expanding, receiving sums way above that threshold. These included several payments from the UK government, such as £30,000 for the services of an employee of Dr Pachauri’s Delhi office to act as his co-editor on the IPCC’s 2007 Synthesis Report.
When we approached Teri Europe with our evidence, the charity’s secretary immediately admitted that there were “anomalies” in the accounts. The Charity Commission agreed to investigate. Not the least point of interest was that the charity’s trustees – “responsible,” in the commission’s words, “for approving the accounts before submission” – included, alongside Dr Pachauri, two other luminaries of the global warming establishment. Sir John Houghton was a founder of the IPCC, and had long played a key role in it. Sir Crispin Tickell was one of Houghton’s most influential allies back in 1988, as “our man at the UN” and as the adviser who talked Mrs Thatcher into enthusiasm for global warming at that crucial moment (a fervour she later disavowed).
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 19:41
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Bearfoil:

Meant to say silicosis.


http://depts.washington.edu/chemcrs/...ent_Pres_4.pdf

The significance of nanoparticles in particle-induced pulmonary fibrosis
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Old 16th Jan 2011, 21:18
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Bob Brown at it again

Coal miners to blame for Queensland floods, says Australian Greens leader Bob Brown | News.com.au

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