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Old 26th Nov 2007, 17:00
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Sorry, you're wrong. It is more than 99% of greenhouse effect that derives from something apart from human activity.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 17:06
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Well if that is true, only the monumentally stupid would fall for this swindle.

Perhaps the fairest thing would be have a referendum on AGW. And just put up the taxes of those who believe in it.

That would sort the wheat from the chaff.

Sunray....I suppose you'd like your taxes increased eh?

To save 'future generations'! (FFS)

I suppose you still believe in the fu*king tooth fairy, eh?

Some people are sooooooooooooooo gullible.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 17:18
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brain fade,
please don't burn the plastic bottles, they stink. Order some old maple, it has a lovely smell, and a guy in the BIG, HEAVY truck needs the revenue. I for one will enjoy my stay, on this lovely planet, driving the biggest nicest car I can find and afford. All these people advocating "zero emissions" battery powered cars are delusional. Do they really believe that charging the battery is a "zero emissions" process?
 
Old 26th Nov 2007, 18:24
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I think Sunray should go back to knob twiddling or whatever it says in his profile!
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 19:18
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Cpt Kaos - very good point about Darwin

Some people don't want children - the minority that don't feel a lingering sense of guilt or selfishness about their position (women particularly in my experience), but in my view fair enough, each to their own, everyone's different.

However, to start trying to assuage this kind of internal personal guilt by dressing up what would otherwise be an honourable (but nevertheless socially unpopular) personal preference as somehow moral and enlightened i.e. as a 'save the planet' strategy just demonstrates the utter vacuity in the minds of so many people at the altar of the global warming movement. Selfish? no not them

"I was horrified. I knew straight away there was no option of having the baby.
"A week before my sterilisation, I went to an animal rights demonstration and met Ed."
"Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we've just come back from South Africa.
"We feel we can have one long-haul flight a year, as we are vegan and childless, thereby greatly reducing our carbon footprint and combating over-population.
"What I consider mad are those women who ferry their children short distances in gas-guzzling cars."
If people like this are that concerned about the carbon footprint of their potential offspring then why don't they just kill themselves now and spare the rest of the planet their supposedly species extinguishing, quality of life suppressing, selfish, misguided and futile existences?
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 19:38
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"why don't they just kill themselves now"

I say, steady on that's a bit harsh. All they have to do is breathe less

% Composition of atmospheric air and expired air in a typical human subject:

N2 (plus inert gases) 78.62 inhaled 74.9 exhaled
O2 20.85 in 15.3 out
CO2 0.03 in 3.6 out
H2O 0.5 in 6.2 out

Proof positive that increased atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic ?
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 20:00
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"why don't they just kill themselves now"

No, no...we need some entertainment.
 
Old 26th Nov 2007, 21:24
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BlooMoo, in a way it's funny what's happening here, Darwin against Religion all over again. AGW is more and more becoming a modern religion with GAIA as God. Science based on Faith, instead of Science based of Facts.

While I'm very much for preserving the Earth recources and clean air, I do realise that prosperity comes with a price. While I applaud the arrival of catalysators, cleaner factories, leaner car engines, quieter jet engines etcera, I absolutely abhorr chasing fata morganas imposing heavy tax and giving entrepreneurs a hard time with nonsical but very expensive regulations and last but not least denying 3rd world countries a prosperous future based on back to nature.

When James Hansen says: "The contrarians (meaning sceptics) will be remembered as court jesters. There is no point to joust with court jesters ... The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." I know things are very wrong and only a few inches from a socialist state.

Another proposterous statement of Hansen: "... If we cannot stop the building of more coal-fired power plants, those coal trains will be death trains – no less gruesome than if they were boxcars headed to crematoria, loaded with uncountable irreplaceable species ..."

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Old 26th Nov 2007, 21:31
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AGW is more and more becoming a modern religion
Here is proof, of the above:
California Hotels Go Green With Low-Flow Toilets, Solar Lights
"Visitors to the Gaia Napa Valley Hotel and Spa won't find the Gideon Bible in the nightstand drawer. Instead, on the bureau will be a copy of ``An Inconvenient Truth,'' former Vice President Al Gore's book about global warming. "
 
Old 28th Nov 2007, 01:44
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Sorry about the bottles. But I like the smell!

I'm only doing it to try to keep the place nice and warm.

You see, I actually like GW.

I live in Scotland and, its fu*king freezing here!

In southern England it's always about 3 degrees celsius hotter. So they can cool down if they like as long as it don't involve me!

+.6 in 100 years my arse!

I want to see +6 degrees, preferably in February 2008 and until further notice.

Don't wory tho, if I see the temp going up too much, I'll pop the bottles in the landfill.

That'll make a GIANT difference...............to NO fu*ker!

Maple don't grow here...too warm or too cold? I'd love some tho, could we do a deal? Like I said, I'm in Scotland. Paypal mebbe? Send that guy with the tractor 'round!

Right now I'm burning some old elm, a bunch of chopped up creosote laden poles, and some lovely (burns to bugger-all) coal that was imported from Columbia.............(£10 a cwt bag if you need some) I think it came 6000 miles from the mine to here, but never (who gives a f*ck anyway) mind.

If I could stick some tree-huggers on, I would. Hard to get tho.

Sunrays gone a bit quiet hasn't he?

Maybe overtaken by a gigantic AGW flood, caused by the ZERO rise in sea level.

Burned 9000kg at work today in Jet A1. You?

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Old 28th Nov 2007, 02:50
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Brain Fade,
love your post!

Did the coal come air freight
What are "creosote laden poles". Is it the stuff that keeps wood from rotting. We call that preassure treated and it has some kind of arsenic or such in it. Be careful burning it inside. Outdoors that's fine. I thought you guys have palms on the north of Scotland as that is where the (evil, heat carrying) Gulf Stream ends.
-1 right now with -8 wind chill.
Here is a funny one. Toronto city council, commonlly known as the politbureau has decided not to plow some side streets in the winter because they usually take care of themselves in a day or so. You see we are right on the border of the jet stream so when she goes up 100miles we get the nice warm SW air and when she goes down, we get the cold air. She of course goes up and down like... Well everyone is outraged on those streets, but unfortunately they can't blame this on GW. It is actually in the city halls's mind that GW is being helpful this one time, even though it has nothing to do with it. We've had these temp swings in Toronto for decades.
 
Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:00
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I hate to be the one to bring you the bad news...........but here goes!
You're in
Canada!..................................................... ............................................................ .........So who gives a?

Try gettin' rid of some of those traffic lights, will, ya? FFS they drive me CRAZY..... and I live nearly 7,000 miles away!

Mind you, sounds like you could do with a bit of GW youself. Man made or otherwise!

Put some environmentalists on the fire and send me the bill.
Don't worry, nobody will notice.

edit to add. Creosote is an anti-rot thing that they put on sleepers or poles ( not live ones, of course) to stop 'em rotting.

I think based on some weird organo-phosphate (aka nerve agent) as used by our new friends about 50 years ago. Anyway, your hands start to tingle/ go numb if you brush it on to wood for too long. They say it is ok tho'.

There are palm trees in Scotland, allegedly, But if I see one of the fu*kers, its going in the low!

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Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:14
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Which traffic light are you talking about? Can you see them from there? Must be all the ozone depleted air that is making light defract more. Or is it something you see on final to YYZ. And why are you up at this ungodly hour, unless you are on this side of the pond?
 
Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:21
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I've got some days off now, so staying up late to try to burn some of my vast supply of plastic milk bottles. Only another couple of black bin bags worth before I hop off to bed.

Can't put them all on at once or chimbley will go on fire!

Only enough to annoy tree huggers.

re lights. had a hol near (that westerly place, whatever you call it....ahhhh Vancouver!).

Lights everywhere!.. Had a nice time at Abbotsford, tho.
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Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:27
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We should be able to clear all this up soon trendsetters.
Our newly elected PM is going to sign Kyoto.
He speaks Mandarin.
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Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:30
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Yeah, that westerly place - Vancouver. A bit further away from me than you are. Full of tree hugging greens.

Gotta take the dog for a ride in the SUV and hit the sack.
 
Old 28th Nov 2007, 03:35
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You sheepshaggers ought to take mandarin classes too.

Should have stuck to the Commonwealth instead of being seduced by....Asian .... erm...distractions.
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Old 28th Nov 2007, 07:53
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Brain Fade agree with you, I'm in Spain and its f'n cold here, but didn't like your statement about the Toothfairy you'll be telling me there is no Farther Christmas next, and where is Guy Fawkes when you need him
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 17:35
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End of Global Warming hysteria

Ducking the Green outrage as I type.....

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-b...s_this_last_d/


As an adenda -

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/wire/a...ntent=n113048A
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 19:51
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Some kind of irony here!

There is a serious point. These people thought they knew enough about the environment to have the correct answer to an almost impossible question, as to how the long-term climate is affected by a tiny change in one factor. Yet they didn't know enough to understand how cold the weather could become on their expedition.

Stupid, arrogant people risked other people's lives (in the rescue) to spread propaganda about an issue they are clearly unqualified to judge.
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