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Old 25th Oct 2006, 19:33
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Originally Posted by boogie-nicey View Post
My Grandfather told me the easy way to stop the village fool is to simply stick your leg out at the right moment.
Yar! And if there be more pirates, they could use their wooden leg......yar me hearties!!!
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 19:46
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This thread is typical of the polarisation of the entire issue.

It's not being appraoched in a rational way by either side. You'd hardly expext a pilot's forum to be particularly hot on environmental issues, aviation is one of the most polluting human activites. but the tone of denial and 'we're only human, we can't do that much damage' nature is far more powerful, is a very convenient fall-back position for pilots, when the truth is that they know in reality that their industry is doing huge damage to the environment. It's been clear to me for a long time that global warming is a reality, that the climate is changing, and changing fast, as a direct result of human activity.

Of course there is a lot of nonsense talked by the environmental groups, but the standard reaction of people here 'oh they're just leftie tree huggers' is as predictable as it is ill-informed.

We are changing the environment, and changing it fast. There is absolutely no way that we can sustain the level of consumption of the earth's resources at the present rate. Yesterday a report claimed we will need another planet by the year 2050. Doesn't really matter that much to me, of course, I will be 75 if I'm still alive then. But I know for sure that the changes to the environment will only continue to accelerate. We'll be OK in the rich west, of course, it's the third world that will suffer.

Which is one of the special interest groups that has the greatest interest in debunking the 'myth' of global warming? The aviation industry, and therefore pilots. Sorry, it doesn't wash. I love aviation the same as everyone else does here, but it's doing huge damage to the environment. There is irrefutable scientific proof of that.

All great civilisations come to an end, and this one will come to an end within the next 100 years. I'd be surprised if there was any aviation at all by 2106. But I'll be dead by then, and so will we all - so it doesn't really matter does it?



This image shows the instrumental record of global average temperatures as compiled by the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia and the Hadley Centre of the UK Meteorological Office. Data set TaveGL2v was used.
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 19:52
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Holy SH*T

That correlates with the pirate one!!!!!
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 20:00
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no it doesn't.......................??????
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 20:04
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Yeah it does.

It even goes up at the end!
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 20:15
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Yeah, bring on global warming. -40 here in the Peg gets a little annoying after a while.
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 20:19
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Roll on global warming......

Coldest we saw in NW Ontario in 2004 was -38C. 2005 coldest was -40C. At -40C even the water in car fuel can freeze up fuel lines.

So global warming will turn France into an uninhabited desert and give us the climate of Florida.....

And the bad news is what exactly.............????
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 20:23
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Daddy polar bear and baby polar bear are sitting idly on an ice floe, watching ice floes go by, when baby polar bear turns to Daddy polar bear and says...

Dad, what sort of bear am I ?
Why, you're a polar bear, son.
I'm not a brown bear or a black bear?
No, you're a polar bear, son.
I'm not a grizzly bear, then?
No, you're a polar bear, son.
I'm not a Malaysian sun bear, or a Himalayan honey bear?
No, son, you're a polar bear.
I'm not a rare European bear, or a koala bear?
No, you're a polar... hey, what is it with all these questions?
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm f*****g freezing....

Unseasonly cold here at the moment, as well.......
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 21:07
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Wedge, I don't get it...

You are presenting a graph of the last 150 years of so which purports to show a temperature anomaly of +0.8 of one degree. Taking aside all the arguments which exist as to the accuracy of such readings, I don't understand why you think that this graph tells us that somehow we are responsible for the temperature changes on Earth.

Do you dispute that the Earth's climate is ever changing and that it is naturally cyclical? Are you aware of previous (i.e. before any industrialisation or even presence of Mankind) ice ages and warmer periods? What caused those? Did the cavemen or dinousaurs try to stop all CO2 emissions? (even though there is huge debate as to whether CO2 has anything to do with climate change)

I think that your statement shows that you are pretty convinced of the IPCC and their ilk's arguments and so are happy to be taxed (as if that can change much) Please, do have a look at counter arguments; there are many and they are very persuasive. They just tend not to be governement funded.

I am not exactly enamoured at the huge threat to our industry represented by the green movement, especially as I don't find mysef agreeing with pretty much anything they say. If you cannot see that the reason you are being convinced of these theories is so as to tax you more then you really need to look harder.
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 21:19
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SET 18, Well said! Wedge is already on the associated (inter)national gravy train - Legal Adviser - Criminal Defence. If I were he, I'd ride it for all it was worth.
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Old 25th Oct 2006, 22:20
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How Wedge sees the future...

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Old 26th Oct 2006, 00:04
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Get in a time machine and explain to the middle ages populace that witches arn't responsible for the crops failing.

Some people are just dim. Always will be.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 01:14
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People need to stop blaming Americans because of their V8-10-12-16-32 engines. The first thing them foreigners do when they arrive in the States is buy a Hummer!

For instance, my Dad arrived in 1951 and the first thing he did was buy a gun and a gas guzzeler. So there.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 01:28
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I give Jan a mighty *HELL YEAH*!!!!
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 01:42
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NONONONONONONO!

You ave got it all wrong.

It is;


AAAAAAAAAAMENNNNNNNNNNNNN BROTHER!

There, that's better.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 05:06
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When will thems back home get things straight. Global warming will leave you with brass monkey weather. Total Siberia. It is also an unstable phenomenon...To put it in technical terms, when it goes, it goes with a bang.

It's all academic now anyway, the rapidly depleting magnetosphere will allow a washing off of our atmosphere, and Bob's yer uncle. Plenty of Aurora all over the world, but little more use that a Chocolate thermometer. We're dooooooooooooooooooomed I tell you.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 09:30
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Lets not forget that is about the fairness of debate with reasoning and political nor selfish inclinations. GW maybe happening slowly, fast or not at all, mankind induced or natural phenomena, I know not. However the fact that it all seems to be a one sided show in the media is what I find difficult to accept. Fine media loves to sensationalise anything and everything.

The green agenda isn't as green or innocent as you might think some of this brigade are quite nasty personalities just like New Labour in it's infancy and look at the damage they've done. These Greenies are actually responsible for the same ecological damage they claim industry has induced. Their abhorance of nuclear a few decades ago forced us to continue with coal powered stations. Now these people want us to all pay for thier selfish and blind mistakes. If only Jeremy Pakxman would show up the contradictions of one these idiots in an interview. Dispicable they don't want to advance themselves yet attempt to hinder others from doing likewise.

Expose these hypocrits.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 09:32
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Lets not forget that it's about the fairness of debate with reasoning and not political nor selfish inclinations. GW maybe happening slowly, fast or not at all, mankind induced or natural phenomena, I know not. However the fact that it all seems to be a one sided show in the media is what I find difficult to accept. Fine media loves to sensationalise anything and everything.
The green agenda isn't as green or innocent as you might think some of this brigade are quite nasty personalities just like New Labour in it's infancy and look at the damage they've done. These Greenies are actually responsible for the same ecological damage they claim industry has induced. Their abhorance of nuclear a few decades ago forced us to continue with coal powered stations. Now these people want us to all pay for thier selfish and blind mistakes. If only Jeremy Pakxman would show up the contradictions of one these idiots in an interview. Dispicable they don't want to advance themselves yet attempt to hinder others from doing likewise.
Expose these hypocrits.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 10:02
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You are presenting a graph of the last 150 years of so which purports to show a temperature anomaly of +0.8 of one degree. Taking aside all the arguments which exist as to the accuracy of such readings, I don't understand why you think that this graph tells us that somehow we are responsible for the temperature changes on Earth.

I'm not a scientist, and even if I was it would not give my personal opinion on the evidence any more weight. I am, however, concerned about and interested in climate change. The over-riding opinion of the scientific community (not just those who are government funded) is that the rapid climate change we are experiencing is caused for the most part by human activity.

"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."

"In the light of new evidence and taking into account the remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."
Do you dispute that the Earth's climate is ever changing and that it is naturally cyclical?

Of course not. Where have I done so? What I do say is that the current changes we are experiencing are happening very rapidly. Much more rapidly than the kinds of changes you are talking about which take thousands of years.

Are you aware of previous (i.e. before any industrialisation or even presence of Mankind) ice ages and warmer periods?

Of course I am. See above.

What caused those? Did the cavemen or dinousaurs try to stop all CO2 emissions? (even though there is huge debate as to whether CO2 has anything to do with climate change)

First of all there is not a huge debate as to whether CO2 emission cause climate change in the scientific community. There is an invented 'debate' among those who have a vested interest in the continued burning of fossil fuels at the present rate or at an increased rate. GWB "The globe is warming. The fundamental question is it man-made or natural?". That's not a fundamental question. That's a lie, but what else would we expect from the esteemed President.

I think that your statement shows that you are pretty convinced of the IPCC and their ilk's arguments and so are happy to be taxed (as if that can change much) Please, do have a look at counter arguments; there are many and they are very persuasive. They just tend not to be governement funded.

I am happy to be taxed, yes, as I believe taxation is the greatest disincentive to activities which damage the environment. I am 100% behind plans to tax four wheel drive vehicles far more heavily, especially when they are being driven and parked in built up areas like London. I don't need a 4x4 in London. And nor does anyone.

If you cannot see that the reason you are being convinced of these theories is so as to tax you more then you really need to look harder.

This brings us on neatly to my main point. What on earth makes you think that governments have a vested interest in reducing emissions? If the only consideration was economic, governments would be encouraging greater and greater CO2 emissions as they are the fuel that powers the economy and creates jobs, maximises profits and production. You're not suggesting that the international political community care more about the environment than the economy are you? What they are doing, however, is beginning to take notice of the increasingly conclusive evidence that human activity is damaging the environment and damaging it fast.

As for the 'tree-huggers' the attitude of most here would suggest that they simply say what they do because they've nothing better to do, and want to 'spoil our fun'. That's a pretty cynical view isn't it? Imho they do believe passionately that human activity is ruining the planet. I am minded to agree with them, although I accept there is a lot of hysteria and misinformation from those quarters.

If this was all about 'tax' as you (rather unconvincingly) claim, why on earth does aviation still enjoy the unique position of untaxed fuel - when it is aviation that is the industry that is burning more fuel than any other? I can answer that - it's because the international political community wants the aviation industry to continue to flourish. They don't regard the environment as a greater concern than the economy.
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Old 26th Oct 2006, 10:23
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Originally Posted by Jerricho View Post
Yeah it does.

It even goes up at the end!
Ah... the infamous "Hockeystick" theory, which btw has been debunked by now.
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