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One for those who feel safe in SUVs and 4x4s

Old 27th May 2006, 19:50
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Devil One for those who feel safe in SUVs and 4x4s

nice video here
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Old 28th May 2006, 12:49
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SEVEN MINUTES? I almost went out and crashed my SUV just to relieve the boredom

Still I suppose if I could be bothered to watch all of it I'd immediately run out and buy...a minivan



I thought this one was better
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Old 28th May 2006, 12:57
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Bit of a game bird, that!
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Old 28th May 2006, 13:38
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At first, it looked like she was using "La Femme"
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Old 28th May 2006, 17:32
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As someone who drives a Discovery, I'm not terribly worried by that video. There isn't any great comparison. If you put most cars which are 8 (or more)years old into a crash test against a brand new car, of course the new one will invariably come of better. I'll bet they didn't want to put up a brand new Discovery rather than one which was showing it's age, against a brand new Espace. Results might well have been very different.
The video shows why 'Fifth Gear' isn't much cop as a serious motoring programme and was prolly paid for by Renault to show that since MPV's got very, very bad ratings in crash tests about 5 years ago, they're improving. Nicely staged and if you're inclined to believe in it, good luck to you.

I'm with the rest though, 'burp girl'was far more fun! Nearly p!ssed meself at that one.
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Old 28th May 2006, 17:47
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The test wasn't really fair. I'm sure if they launched an equally-old Espace into the beast of a Discovery they used, the results will be far from the same. Equally, if they launched a brand new Discovery 3 into a brand new Espace, the results may come out different.

Perhaps however 4x4s, which are designed to cope with all manner of dodgy off-road/off-school-run sort of situations, will always come off worse in such a test because of the excessively strong chassis they need to be able to withstand offroad abuse?
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Old 28th May 2006, 21:23
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Impressive video - I'd have thought that a combined speed of 80mph would have resulted in a lot more damage!

It appears that they used a 8-10 year old Discovery and a 2 year old Espace. Being of similar cost in the pre-owned car market. So it probably is a bit unfair. On the other hand, cars like the Espace apparently weren't very good in official crash tests a few years ago, the manufacturers have probably done much to improve this aspect in the interim. Then again, restyling a 4x4 and adding a II to the name doesn't necessarily mean that much has been done to improve the vehicle's safety, especially if there wasn't any perceived problem in the first place. So perhaps the test is not all that unfair after all...?!

I'm a pretty defensive driver myself so I'd definitely recommend just about any old APC for mums who want to be absolutely safe?!
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Old 29th May 2006, 00:41
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Originally Posted by airship
Then again, restyling a 4x4 and adding a II to the name doesn't necessarily mean that much has been done to improve the vehicle's safety, especially if there wasn't any perceived problem in the first place.
Indeed, demands on "family" cars are always increasing with regards to safety, and as such each new design may be a complete evolution on the last. Every-day family cars can be designed to crumple and absorb in a crash, because a crash is the only extreme situation they could possibly find themselves in to put such stress on the design. Espaces are not expected to go offroading and can be built for crashworthyness as such.

4x4s and SUVs on the other hand, simply have to embrace the "built-like-a-tank" attitude to chassis design in order to cope with the "adventurous" situations manufacturers expect to find them in. A 4x4 designed with huge crumple zones and an impact absorbant chassis for the sake of crashworthiness would most likely be impractical and possibly un-usable off-road.

Unfortunately, seeing a 4x4 off-road rather than on a school run nowadays is a rarity in itself. Many drivers seem to have the mindest that "stronger = better" in terms of crashworthiness. As the video above shows, this is often not the case. A half-decent Espace would probably cost them less initially and in terms of fuel consumption, whilst serving them better in a crash.
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