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Ton-up in Iraq

Old 31st Jan 2006, 15:17
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Ton-up in Iraq

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Old 31st Jan 2006, 15:25
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I got banned from JB for 2 weeks over Xmas and New Year recently for much less...
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Old 31st Jan 2006, 17:01
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Number 5 was a friend of mine, my course for AFT. He was one of the best, a great lad with a gentle, self-depracating manner and a great sense of humour.
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Old 31st Jan 2006, 17:14
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That's terrible SC...

But surely you must ask what exactly did he die for? His country was not being attacked and the country he went to fight is in as big a mess as it ever was.

Life is not cheap and every soldier who's gone out there and died has had his or her life demeaned and cheapened and sacrificed for very dubious reasons.

RIP all the soldiers. the citiziens of the countries you left to fight should stand up and say no more to their fellow citizens being killed for nothing. The dead solders deserve that solidarity at least.
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Old 31st Jan 2006, 23:37
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My vote goes to those who would stand up and fight those who killed them.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:11
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He died for freedom, 1W22. He died so others might live. That is why most of us joined up in the first place, to make a difference but knowing that we would sometimes risk our lives. He could help to make that difference, unfortunately he also made the sacrifice.

You have spent too long listening to the mainstream media. Listen to the Iraqi people for a change - they don't think it is as big a mess as ever. Most of them are very positive about he present and optimistic about the future, even the BBC had to admit that when the poll results came. The image of a deepening crisis is just news that is easy to broadcast and fits with the anti-Bush agenda of many news organs. Iraq is now a democracy. That's what he died for, and I hope it will be a fitting memorial.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:20
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Watched the BBC news this evening with the announcement of the 100th service man (British) killed out there. To go through that web postings where you can actually see the persons' faces close up makes it even more horrific, the news usually flashes off so quickly and on to another bulletin that is becomes just another report, but when you can actually scroll through each and every service personal it hits home. I still have friends in the forces and each time things kick off or they are called away I wonder if it will be the last time I hear from them.

My deepest sympathies to all those who have lost dear and beloved, friends, family and colleagues. For those who have left children behind I hope they can grow up understanding why one of their parents died in a far away country trying to help others rightly or wrongly, it will not bring them back but they died doing their job, but I hope we will not forget the sacrifices they made unselfishly for others

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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:41
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Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:46
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I hold profound reverence and respect for the sacrifices these soldiers made. No gaul(sic) required.

It's illuminating that only when the family of a soldier killed expresses an opinion against the war policy in either the US or GB is that opinion given voice by either BBC or CNN.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:52
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Originally Posted by BenThere
I hold profound reverence and respect for the sacrifices these soldiers made. No gaul(sic) required.
It's illuminating that only when the family of a soldier killed expresses an opinion against the war policy in either the US or GB is that opinion given voice by either BBC or CNN.
All respect L or A J,

But BenThere has more ground to make a patriotic statement then you....
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 00:56
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Originally Posted by LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK
Try a whole host of TV channels and radio programmes BenThere.
Cosworth, I really must renew my Conservative party subscriptions. As usual you are far wide of the mark.
Not at all while you read/watch and except the anti US crap you entertain, the rest of the intelligent world laugh at your antiquated views.

The British Army want an end to Islamic Violence. They hate al quaeda and any supporting sects. They are fighting a double war, one against islamic anti western views and againts liberalist lefty huggy fluffy pratts.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 01:06
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Originally Posted by LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK
Intelligent people spell prats with one "t."
I won't judge what camp you're in
Pratts has two t's by the literature I am reading! The fact you spelt is with one, confirmed it.... PS I am not camp

As for patriots, have it. I am so ashamed of living in GB by their current actions I literally beg for the US to take me, it escapes me from the idiots that are raping us, and the batty boys like you who take it so somenly...
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 01:07
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Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.

No, their efforts are not rendered worthless by 'left wing' views. But they have made sacrifices for politicians of dubious motives. When you join up, of course, you do so knowing you will obey orders whether you agree with the motives or not. The loss of the 100th British serviceman is another tragedy, and it's a milestone that will only serve to increase public opinion against the war, as is happening in America.

During the run up to the war and for sometime after it began, I was 'on the fence' about whether or not it was the right thing to do.

After nearly three years, I'm now of the view it wasn't the right thing to do. The end of war is not in sight, and the USA has got itself embroiled in a war which will cost it lives and dollars for years to come.

The huge profits of the American oil giants announced this week, the result of the uncertainty over oil supplies pushing the price up, is scant consolation for the USA. Iraq was always supposed to be a money making exercise, and it's gone wrong.

Sorry to hear you lost a friend there SC.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 01:11
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Originally Posted by Wedge
Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.
No, their efforts are not rendered worthless by 'left wing' views. But they have made sacrifices for politicians of dubious motives. When you join up, of course, you do so knowing you will obey orders whether you agree with the motives or not. The loss of the 100th British serviceman is another tragedy, and it's a milestone that will only serve to increase public opinion against the war, as iss happening in America.
During the run up to the war and for sometime after it began, I was 'on the fence' about whether or not it was the right thing to do.
After nearly three years, I'm now of the view it wasn't the right thing to do. The end of war is not in sight, and the USA has got itself embroiled in a war which will cost it lives and dollars for years to come.
The huge profits of the American oil giants announced this week, the result of the uncertainty over oil supplies pushing the price up, is scant consolation for the USA. Iraq was always supposed to be a money making exercise, and it's gone wrong.
Sorry to hear you lost a friend there SC.
The loss isnt down to US oil fights, its down to the war on terror and the war on anti western views expressed by uneducated idiotic islamic followers.

Upon that ground, his life was lost.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 01:14
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Originally Posted by LIMA OR ALPHA JUNK
Says it all really..........
All it says is that you dont take it seriously. I like the western way, I dont plan to live any other way. The anti US arguement is as boring as it comes. Bush is the first president to have guts against morons of every kind that love posting on this type of thread. So to you, pucker up, Ill supply the vaseline, lets go anal!
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 04:22
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Serious talk about people dying and the two of you want to quarrel over spelling.


"His country was not being attacked"

If that's the litmus test then Europe would still be fighting Hitlers Germany because no allies would have joined the efforts.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 05:05
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So to you, pucker up, Ill supply the vaseline, lets go anal!
I believe the fallen dead who are the subject of this thread are worthy of a somewhat higher standard of debate than that which is currently being presented. Surely, cosworth211 and others, you are able to make your point in an articulate and reasonable manner without resorting to childish remarks?
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 06:36
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Every combatant killed in every war has been a sibling, child, spouse, father or mother. Most of them have been young, and publication of their youthful images after their deaths would affect people no matter which side they fought on. And every civilian death is a tragedy.

However, and not wishing to sound pompous, it seems to me that the critics and supporters of the efforts in Iraq will have to wait a few years before a clear analysis of the situation in the light of all the facts can be made.

Everyone has a view now - which of those views will be accurate or even relevent once all the facts are on the table, and can be seen in a historical perspective, is pretty hard to judge right now.
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 07:30
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Cosworth, I'm finding it difficult to assume you are a normal rational human being with the complete BS you've come out with here.

What did the Iraqi regime have to do with the "war on terror"? What were the exact motives for the 2 Govt's to invade a soverign country? In your own time please....

SC,

Sorry but I disagree. your friend and others did not die for freedom. They were sacrificed for the goals of dubious politicians who sent them to war not as a last resort, not to stop some enemy posied at the borders of your country. War should be a last resort not the first resort as it was here. The Iraqi's don't have "freedom" they are living in the shadow of more terror then they ever have done. Read the last memo of the US soldier Douglas Barber who killed himself after coming home to see what is really happening out there.

"It was really bad - death was all around you, all the time. You couldn't escape it," he said in an interview after he returned to Alabama with the campaign group Coalition for Free Thought in Media. "Everybody in Iraq was going through suicide counselling because the stress was so high. It was at such a magnitude, such a high level, that it was unthinkable for anyone to imagine. You cannot even imagine it."
And put aside the dead for a moment, about 40,000 soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan have been found to show symptoms of mental health disorders.

Can you really tell me hand on heart if this is all worth it? We'll never agree on this I know....
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Old 1st Feb 2006, 08:12
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The loss isnt down to US oil fights, its down to the war on terror and the war on anti western views
If the above is the only reason we are there and not for some political gain and enhancement of the House of Commons resident Baboons, why is Robert Mugabe allowed to murder not only his own people (As Saddam did) but land grab and torture and murder white farmers who were feeding his country.

The soldiers who have been killed have given thier lives as they knew they might one day but for what, defending thier country?.. or protecting a slimy two faced weasels reputation with the USA.
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