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Driving At 159mph Is Safe

Old 18th May 2005, 19:44
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This verdict was reached by a District Judge (Magistrates Courts) which is the snappy new name for the old stipendiary magistrates.

I find it hard to imagine that any lay bench would have reached those conclusions, nor have made such extraordinary remarks in sentencing.

"Creme de la Creme" will enter the archives along with Mary Archer's "Fragrance" I suspect.
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Old 18th May 2005, 19:49
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Thanks DB

If it was correctly briefed
IE: "Drive really fast and pray that none of the travelling public out there are gonna get in your way"
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Old 18th May 2005, 19:56
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I presume all the other road users in the vicinity were also highly trained and suitably aware?
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Old 18th May 2005, 19:57
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'Specially the Beemer drivers hogging the outside lane
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Old 18th May 2005, 20:14
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I believe I heard it was in the early hours of the morning, honest folk should have been tucked up in bed.
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Old 18th May 2005, 20:18
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One can almost hear an echo of Lord Denning.
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Old 18th May 2005, 20:28
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:00
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he would have been very dead.
If only.

If something had gone wrong, e.g. he'd wiped out a family, I'm sure......

......hmmm, he is a police officer.....

...yeah, he'd have still been let off.

Wonder what the Road Safety partnerships would have said? Apart from "b*gger, that could have been another £60 in our Xmas piss-up fund"

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Old 18th May 2005, 21:13
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The forces do it (including me previously) as a means to teach advanced driving skills. There simply isn't enough track. It's conducted in the early hours of the morning, after previous closed course training and is the only way to hone the skills. A motorway in the early hours of a week night is pretty empty believe me.

I'm not saying it's foolproof, but I do think it's a necessary evil.

P.S Onan, your manners are, as ever, impeccable mate.
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:19
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A motorway in the early hours of a week night is pretty empty believe me.
Pretty is the operative word. Sorry SK, while you acknowledge it isn't foolproof, it still isn't a controlled environment (then again, I guess neither is a high speed chase). And chances are that people on the road that time of the morning may not be totally alert (as I full well know driving home from work on a few occasions........but that is a totally different matter), and a car closing on them at that sort of speed could place them in a very dangerous position. Driving at that speed, in a car the driver is unfamiliar, on a public motorway sounds bloody stupid to me.
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:27
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I do agree on the unfamiliar car point. He'd be pretty daft if that was the first time he'd climbed into it.
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:31
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I read the Meteor training thread on the MIL forum (excelent thread btw)and they said they eventually stopped engine out training (by killing an engine) as it was causing more fatalities that real engine out emergencies were.

It's a little similar here. Maybe you need to teach the scuffers how do drive at ridiculous speed on the public highway for when they need to get to a crime scene pretty pronto, but if they cause carnage during the training, what's the point?

As for it being late at night, How would you feel if you got killed - ok you wouldn't feel anything, so if one of your family got killed and they said "Well I know your granny's dead, but in fairnes, she was driving at night, so I wouldn't get too bothered about it. Would have been a lot worse in the day old chap"?

If it's that important, close the road once a year for an hour.
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:39
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>Speaking on the steps of the court, Insp Keith Howes, said: "Pc Milton was driving in accordance with his training, honing his skills while possible and testing the vehicle's capabilities so that if he was required on an urgent call he would be driving safely."

The court heard the roads on which Pc Milton drove were deserted at the time of the patrol and that driving conditions were good."<

I too have been professionally trained to drive at WELL over the national speed limit and have been driving for over 30 years, never having had an accident.

However, I have recent penalty points on my licence because I drove at 14 mph over the speed limit on a deserted, rural, dead straight, dry road in perfect weather conditions (on which I have driven thousands of times before) in the early hours of a Sunday morning.

I was NOT testing either my own ability or the handling of my car; I was driving at less than half of its top speed.

So - IS there is one set of rules for us and one for the police, if he wasn't on an emergency call and wasn't using blues and twos?

'Fraid so.
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Old 18th May 2005, 21:55
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I am fuming at this.

Last week I got a fixed penalty notice for doing 35mph in a non-marked 30mph zone (dual carriage way in a non built up area with no speed signs in place anywhere along the road).

How he gets away with this (a) without losing his licence (b) without getting a seriously hefty fine or heavier sentance (c) without facing an internal police investigation / disciplinary is totally beyond me!

When ever will there be a need for this or any police officer to do 159mph down the motorway, even in response to an accident or incident???

This is simply wrong, and another sign of the terrible direction this country is going in.

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Old 18th May 2005, 22:00
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A motorway in the early hours of a week night is pretty empty believe me
As someone who does have to drive on Motorways during the night hours to accidents, emergencies, etc, I would disagree
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Old 18th May 2005, 23:26
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Apparently West Mercia police are now 'clarifying the guidance given to all our advanced motorists' following a slating by the judge on a 'total lack of policy'
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Old 18th May 2005, 23:35
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An unamed source advises me that:

1- The CPS intend to appeal against the decision,
2- The test could have been carried out at a test track within the force's area of responsibility, but they would have had to pay to do so.

2 - is not necessarily the reason that the officer involved did what he did, but it may have been at the back of his mind....
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Old 19th May 2005, 00:02
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Mod hat off................

I have just watched the news report regarding this. It says he was doing 80 in a 30 and 156 on the motorway.

The news report followed his 'steps' through the village he drove through at 80mph in a 30 limit and the main road was on a long right hand bend. If someone would have stepped out, that would have been it.

Now, I know the news/media like to ham it up a bit and they drove through in the day(he drove through at 0100) when there were loads of people/traffic about so it made it seem worse, but saying that, 80 in a small village is pure madness at any time of the day.

I got stopped once for speeding in town in the early hours of the morning on my way home after finishing a late turn and the copper explained that all is quiet, but in the middle of the night, there are people about who may be returning home drunk from a club, and their judgement crossing a road will not be good enough. Fair point I agreed and he let me go with a bollocking. I don't drive home fast anymore.

I also regularly drive up to Liverpool in the midle of the night, purely to avoid the traffic in the day, and quite often, only when the conditions allow, drive at 100mph. If I see a car ahead then I will slow down accordingly, overtake and accelerate away again. 100mph on a empty motorway is quick and you drive to the road conditions. I can see how he hit 156mph, easy, open motorway, nothing ahead for miles he has put his foot down and gone with it, (it is so easy in a new modern car, see below), what we dont get told is exactly how far he done this for, it is pretty easy to do given the right conditions, did he slow down when he seen traffic ahead or did he shoot past cars doing 156mph? Who knows, point being now, he has got off with it.

I was once driving with a mate in a new car(Laguna), we were chatting about the football driving up the M53 when he said to me "do you know you are doing 125" I couldn't believe it, I knew we were going fast but not that fast, quiet motor, distracted, easily done. I didn't realise we were cruisng along that fast and reduced speed pretty quickly.

We all know there are perks to being a ploiceman, I know first hand there is, for fact, but I am surprised they reported him for this. It must go on all over the UK I reckon, he is one of the few that has been caught.

Looking at the responses here, how would you have liked the case to have ended? Ban? Suspension? The sack.................?
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Old 19th May 2005, 00:04
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Niknak, you answered my question.

The CPS should appeal this verdict, in the absence of valid justification (in the course of duty trying to catch a confessed potential mass murderer etc) driving a car at thet speed "to test it" on a public road is downright reckless. Bull to whatever courses he's been on/given etc, I'll bet he probably drives with the don't cross the hands, shove the wheel, mentality.

If he worked for me I'd dip his ass in acid.
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Old 19th May 2005, 00:46
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It's the absolute hypocrisy that stinks to the high heavens.

How often have we heard, when complaints are made about speed cameras, that "speed kills, there are no excuses, it doesn't matter what the road conditions are like, what time of the day or night it is, and that driver ability or car performance mean nothing in defence of a speeding conviction." What about that recent crop of adverts highlighting that even five mph over the thirty mph limit could result in serious injury or death compared to a relatively minor injury at the speed limit?

Yet here we have a copper using all of the above to slither out of this totally irresponsible act like a seedy two-bit joy-rider.

I've raced cars, and I agree that absolute speed is not always the issue. So it's not the 159mph on the motorway that makes my blood boil, it's the 84mph in a 30mph zone. Through a village where my children, my wife, my parents could have been slaughtered by this idiot.

All of us in this profession will have driven home in the wee hours. Imagine coming to a junction in a village and checking the road before you pull out - you just aren't going to be looking for someone doing 84mph. And for those who argue he was so skilled he would have seen you first and slowed down, I for one don't want to be putting my faith in that kind of reaction to preserve my life. After all, that's what safety in our business is predicated on isn't it? That hopefully it's never reliant solely on one person's life or death split second reaction to avert disaster.

The judge also said the cop was "like a concert pianist who needed to practise to hone his skills" - sick bag needed please.

Contrast that comment with the pointing fingers aimed solely at the airline pilot when things go wrong.

This copper was playing russian roulette with innocent peoples' lives for his own gratification. How the police expect any respect from law abiding ordinary people when they see his kind of thing happening god only knows.

Request to mods - this is news - big news in my opinion - move it to rumour and news for more comment.

Off to lie down in a darkened room and despair at the state of common sense in our once green and pleasant land.

I repeat - the smell of hypocrisy in this case is rank.
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