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Mlambin 26th Jul 2023 08:31

SunExpress recruitement for 2024 season is starting
 
SunExpress is planning to continue recruiting for it's 2024 seasons and the recruitement process is still going strong.
If you have any questions before applying, don't hesitate to contact me or ask here.

ptflying 26th Jul 2023 10:53


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11474058)
SunExpress is planning to continue recruiting for it's 2024 seasons and the recruitement process is still going strong.
If you have any questions before applying, don't hesitate to contact me or ask here.

Hello, what are the requirements in terms of hours and is it available for NTR?

Mlambin 26th Jul 2023 12:12

There is no hours requirements and it is available for NTR.

ptflying 26th Jul 2023 13:49

I'm having trouble completing the application without hours on ac above 27 tonnes, it seems to not accept "zero" as an option

IFLYyouBREATH 26th Jul 2023 14:37

When are planned the next assessments ?

Mlambin 26th Jul 2023 15:36

There are no fixed date for the next assessments but you may expect them later this year to be ready for the summer 2024

SeZo82 26th Jul 2023 17:59

I have applied half a year ago and no reply since. NTR low hour FO. But your company is very simpathic for me.

JoeDarke 26th Jul 2023 21:32

I applied in March with no response (yet). Should the application still be considered denied and if so, is it possible to reapply?

Mlambin 29th Jul 2023 13:59

I would suggest you to keep your application up to date with your latest ratings expiring dates and other new informations.
You application is more likely still in the system as 4 months is not that much time.

mattpilot 30th Jul 2023 07:51

Is the information here accurate? https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/SunExpress

I take it no more turkish nationality requirement?
So assuming 100h duty hours, i can expect a FO pay of 3900? Do you know how high the type rating cost monthly deductible is?
I suppose they also want you to live in Turkey/on base?

AviatorBoy_95 30th Jul 2023 08:57


Originally Posted by mattpilot (Post 11476269)
Is the information here accurate? https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/SunExpress

I take it no more turkish nationality requirement?
So assuming 100h duty hours, i can expect a FO pay of 3900? Do you know how high the type rating cost monthly deductible is?
I suppose they also want you to live in Turkey/on base?

assuming 100h duty hours, you can expect a FO pay of 3690 according to the linked website

uberfly 30th Jul 2023 11:41


Originally Posted by mattpilot (Post 11476269)
Is the information here accurate? https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/SunExpress

I take it no more turkish nationality requirement?
So assuming 100h duty hours, i can expect a FO pay of 3900? Do you know how high the type rating cost monthly deductible is?
I suppose they also want you to live in Turkey/on base?

Full time base in Turkey, no commuting option as far as i know. Main bases are ADB and AYT. Sabiha Gokcen base is closed already.

Most Turkish companies made adjustment to its pays in recent months, I believe now should be bit better than before.

Mlambin 30th Jul 2023 16:24

The website is accurate enough yes.
Regarding nationality, this isn't the case, you may apply as none Turkish. Maybe the chance are smaller for none Turkish due to DGCA rules.
Your salary calculation seems nice too, I would add that the duty goes lower in winter then higher in summer, up to 150, so this would be an average calculation over the whole year.
Yes you need to live in Turkey. Commuting with the roster is impossible.

AviatorBoy_95 30th Jul 2023 17:15


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11476477)
The website is accurate enough yes.
Regarding nationality, this isn't the case, you may apply as none Turkish. Maybe the chance are smaller for none Turkish due to DGCA rules.
Your salary calculation seems nice too, I would add that the duty goes lower in winter then higher in summer, up to 150, so this would be an average calculation over the whole year.
Yes you need to live in Turkey. Commuting with the roster is impossible.

Hi Mlambin
You probably received several notifications as I quoted your message but due to some weird bugs, I ended up by deleting my message and writing this new one. Sorry for that.
I asked some few questions and I would be thankful if you could help on that:
- how many hours can be expected during winter?
- are you enjoying life in Turkey and is the language an obstacle?
- regarding the salaries mentionned in pilotjobsnetwork, are they before or after income taxes? (apparently in Turkey, the income tax is directly cut from the salary by the employer)
Thank your in advance

Mlambin 31st Jul 2023 06:44


Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95 (Post 11476494)
Hi Mlambin
You probably received several notifications as I quoted your message but due to some weird bugs, I ended up by deleting my message and writing this new one. Sorry for that.
I asked some few questions and I would be thankful if you could help on that:
- how many hours can be expected during winter?
- are you enjoying life in Turkey and is the language an obstacle?
- regarding the salaries mentionned in pilotjobsnetwork, are they before or after income taxes? (apparently in Turkey, the income tax is directly cut from the salary by the employer)
Thank your in advance

Hello,

No problem, i'm happy to help.

You can expect between 25-40hours during the slowest month of winter. This said, your duty should be around 60-70h and this is how your salary is calculated ( without night payment or layover et).

Life in Antalya is good and relaxinx, you can do a lot of outside activities. The language is not so had to get the basics that will help you daily but don't expect to speak English easily with everyone, most of them have a vary basic English. I wouldn't say it's an obstacle but more like an extra difficulty when you have some administrative duties.

Salaries are all talked After taxes.


AviatorBoy_95 31st Jul 2023 10:22


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11476707)
Hello,

No problem, i'm happy to help.

You can expect between 25-40hours during the slowest month of winter. This said, your duty should be around 60-70h and this is how your salary is calculated ( without night payment or layover et).

Life in Antalya is good and relaxinx, you can do a lot of outside activities. The language is not so had to get the basics that will help you daily but don't expect to speak English easily with everyone, most of them have a vary basic English. I wouldn't say it's an obstacle but more like an extra difficulty when you have some administrative duties.

Salaries are all talked After taxes.

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Just one last question regarding the roster, is-it fixed or not? some airlines like RYR have a pattern of 5 on, 4 off and I'm wondering if it would be feasible to go home at least once a month for some few days.
(It is not to complain but just to have a good understanding of the conditions)

spiffolo 31st Jul 2023 16:20

applied in april too, no news yet(but they might start soon), now updated all the info with the new medical and checks, im posting in the thread to keep me up to date about any info people might ask:ok: i actually do have a question, i applied to airdolomiti, didnt pass the DLR(failed the psychometric test aparently:ugh:) will that hinder my chances heavily?

JoeDarke 31st Jul 2023 16:48

Also a similar question I just thought of — are English tests such as TOEFL necessary for the application? To clarify, I have a level 6 ICAO.

Mlambin 1st Aug 2023 11:04

Answering a few questions at once.

No fixed roster possibilities. I wouldn't count on that at all expect after upgrade when you can ask for a commuting contract.

Regarding the DRL, I don't think it can affect your application. You will go through the Mollymawk and hopefully it will work!

Finally, regarding the English test, unfortunately it is a necessary step, no work around here


​​​​​​​Edit: Blueskyforever, your private message box is full, I can't answer you back.

AviatorBoy_95 2nd Aug 2023 14:38


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11477451)
Answering a few questions at once.

No fixed roster possibilities. I wouldn't count on that at all expect after upgrade when you can ask for a commuting contract.

Regarding the DRL, I don't think it can affect your application. You will go through the Mollymawk and hopefully it will work!

Finally, regarding the English test, unfortunately it is a necessary step, no work around here


Edit: Blueskyforever, your private message box is full, I can't answer you back.

Thanks Mlambin.
In your case, you cannot go home just time to time for some fews days? I read somewhere that there are no holidays the first year but if the schedule is published well in advance for pilots, I do hope that one can manage to go home time to time even for 3 or 4 days.

uberfly 2nd Aug 2023 15:07


Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95 (Post 11478152)
Thanks Mlambin.
In your case, you cannot go home just time to time for some fews days? I read somewhere that there are no holidays the first year but if the schedule is published well in advance for pilots, I do hope that one can manage to go home time to time even for 3 or 4 days.

According to Turkish law, you are entitled to get your paid days only after full year of service in this case it is only 14 days. However, i am sure they can help you on that to combine 2-3 days in a row to help you to go home. But company will expect you to full time based in Turkey. Winter time would be much easier to arrange this.

AviatorBoy_95 2nd Aug 2023 15:23


Originally Posted by uberfly (Post 11478168)
According to Turkish law, you are entitled to get your paid days only after full year of service in this case it is only 14 days. However, i am sure they can help you on that to combine 2-3 days in a row to help you to go home. But company will expect you to full time based in Turkey. Winter time would be much easier to arrange this.

Yeah, I totally understand that we have to be full time based in Turkey, but some few days off to travel and see family is a must for me. It would be a matter of organisation of the schedule and if they are helpful on that, it is really nice

anasrumman95 6th Aug 2023 14:07

Hi
in air dolomity do you do DLR interview after you pass the CBT phase ?

spiffolo 7th Aug 2023 11:37


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11477451)
Regarding the DRL, I don't think it can affect your application. You will go through the Mollymawk and hopefully it will work!


Oh, good thank you. As i notice in the application there was a section asking about it i got "worried"

guess now is on the wating game to when they catch up with the backlog of applications:)

Mlambin 9th Aug 2023 12:21

I live here with my family so my home is here. That said, a lot of single foreingers are regularely going back in Europe
You also may expect to be free for Christmas holiday if you requested it as the winter season is usually more relax.

AviatorBoy_95 10th Aug 2023 09:47


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11481801)
I live here with my family so my home is here. That said, a lot of single foreingers are regularely going back in Europe
You also may expect to be free for Christmas holiday if you requested it as the winter season is usually more relax.

That's good to know. Thanks for all the information!

spiffolo 10th Aug 2023 15:45


Originally Posted by anasrumman95 (Post 11480273)
Hi
in air dolomity do you do DLR interview after you pass the CBT phase ?

oh sorry, on the phone i didnt see your Q
yes you will do the interviews after passing the DLR testing. but this is off topic, if you head to the italian forum you will get lots of help and be on topic:ok:

anasrumman95 15th Aug 2023 10:22

Sunexpress NTR FO
 
Hello guys anybody received an email form sunexpress (Documents requests ) for NTR FO ?
I sent to them my documents but they did not reply again ,anybody knows when they starts recruitments?

thank you

rajveer 22nd Aug 2023 10:40

Hi everyone, I have not seen a nationality requirement for this one. I still applied though, did anyone get through the application (preferably non Turkish Citizen)?

effe 23rd Aug 2023 16:16


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11474058)
SunExpress is planning to continue recruiting for it's 2024 seasons and the recruitement process is still going strong.
If you have any questions before applying, don't hesitate to contact me or ask here.

Turkish or German Sunex?

Mlambin 24th Aug 2023 04:56


Originally Posted by effe (Post 11489967)
Turkish or German Sunex?

SunExpress Germany doesn't exist anymore for more than 2 years.

All bases are in Turkey.

effe 24th Aug 2023 05:10

There are some German reg aircrafts. How do they manage it?

Mlambin 24th Aug 2023 09:46


Originally Posted by effe (Post 11490370)
There are some German reg aircrafts. How do they manage it?

I don't know the details or the informations you have.

We are flying Turkish registered aircraft and some of the previous German aircraft have been transferred.

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AviatorBoy_95 26th Aug 2023 12:22

Hello,
I read again the information here and the following seems to be the negative side of the company:

Hiring but %80 of flight are at night. No crew meal, not enough uniforms. Some domestic layovers at low quaility hotels.
Yesterday I had a look on FlightRadar at 2 AM and indeed there was almost half of the fleet in the sky. Is-it true that 80% of flights are at night? the above comment is from 2022, so maybe things are better now :confused:
Also, some flights are really long (for instance AYT -> DUB, it is 5 hours). For these kind of flights, is-it common that the same crew fly the two legs from and back to AYT? if so, so that would be at the very edge of the regulation in terms of flight duty period and I guess that it would require captain discretion.
Thanks for the feedback

Mlambin 26th Aug 2023 13:47


Originally Posted by AviatorBoy_95 (Post 11491895)
Hello,
I read again the information here and the following seems to be the negative side of the company:

Yesterday I had a look on FlightRadar at 2 AM and indeed there was almost half of the fleet in the sky. Is-it true that 80% of flights are at night? the above comment is from 2022, so maybe things are better now :confused:
Also, some flights are really long (for instance AYT -> DUB, it is 5 hours). For these kind of flights, is-it common that the same crew fly the two legs from and back to AYT? if so, so that would be at the very edge of the regulation in terms of flight duty period and I guess that it would require captain discretion.
Thanks for the feedback

First things first, online, you will only find people complaining.

With that said, it is true that there is a lot of night flight but 80% is a random and ridiculous number. An aircraft is usually used at his best and with 24hours in a day, you can expect flight at any time, morning, afternoon, whatever. Checking now, 48 flights and it's 4:30 pm.

​​​​​​Dublin is probably the longest flight we have (or one of them) Long day yes, but longer days means longer duty which usually means more off days because of legal limitations.

Nothing is perfect, I'm pretty happy with that. 150h duty and 12 days off in July.

Regarding crew meal, after an issue with the catering company, they started giving us money to compensate and so you can now decide to bring your own food or pre-order and it will be delivered to the aircraft. This is said to still be a transition system while looking at long term solution.

I don't have any complain about our uniform. I guess this is pretty personal.

​​​​​Hope it answers your questions.

Edit: I forgot about the hotels. Yes you will have layover in Turkey. Hotels aren't always the best but saying that they are low level is a bit harsh. Most of them are more than enough.

AviatorBoy_95 26th Aug 2023 14:25

yes, it does answer my question, thanks for the insights!
Totally agree that online we find a lot of complaining. That's why I took advantage of this thread to have input on the matter from a happy person at the company :)
Indeed, long flights mean more rest time and also more money since the salary is based on duty time. Doing a go and back to dublin on a row can be pretty tough I guess.
I understand the point of view of an airline to operate a plane at its best to make it profitable but there are examples of airlines making huge profits without operating planes the whole night (no need to name it/them, the goal of this thread is not to do comparaisons but simply providing information).
As you said, nothing is perfect and everything has pros and cons.
Thanks again for your time answering the questions here. Extremly helpful and very much appreciated!

eurotown 6th Sep 2023 13:20

Hi Mlambin, if possible can you please shed some light on my following questions ?

How many days off do you usually get during the winter and summer ?
How many days standby ?
How many days on layovers ?

Thanks

abhinviswam 7th Sep 2023 14:54


Originally Posted by Mlambin (Post 11474058)
SunExpress is planning to continue recruiting for it's 2024 seasons and the recruitement process is still going strong.
If you have any questions before applying, don't hesitate to contact me or ask here.

Hi hope you are well. I applied before covid and my documents were accepted. later i got an email saying that they are not hiring anymore (due to covid) and they will contact ,e once they start hiring again. Now they are accepting applications and candidates hear back after a day from application. I still haven't heard from them. They provided contact details three HR reps and none of them responds to emails or pick up their phones. I would appreciate if you know how to proceed in this case.

Mlambin 8th Sep 2023 04:20


Originally Posted by eurotown (Post 11498174)
Hi Mlambin, if possible can you please shed some light on my following questions ?

How many days off do you usually get during the winter and summer ?
How many days standby ?
How many days on layovers ?

Thanks

Hello,

Off days during summer minimum 7, my average 10.
During winter is higher than that, sometimes as high as 20.

Standbys in summer are close to none.
​​​​​During winter you will probably get 2-5.

​​​​​​Layover days during summer as average, 4-5.
During winter probably the same.

It is hard to answer because this is constantly evolving. My first two years were different from the next two and I'm expecting changes again.
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Mlambin 8th Sep 2023 04:22


Originally Posted by abhinviswam (Post 11498783)
Hi hope you are well. I applied before covid and my documents were accepted. later i got an email saying that they are not hiring anymore (due to covid) and they will contact ,e once they start hiring again. Now they are accepting applications and candidates hear back after a day from application. I still haven't heard from them. They provided contact details three HR reps and none of them responds to emails or pick up their phones. I would appreciate if you know how to proceed in this case.

It's been a long time and they had some staff changes so maybe the emails you have aren't valid anymore. Please, send me a private message.


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