Ryanair plan pilot jobs
 

https://m.independent.ie/business/jo...-40642823.html


this must be good news surely?

I don't know how this article could be good or bad news, it's just stating what we already know about the RYR cadet program.
At this point only time will tell if things will turn out as RYR has planned. I certainly hope so as that would be good news for the industry as a whole.

It won't be only cadets. They have recently published again ads for Direct Entry positions. Yes, it's the talent pool, but it's fair to assume they are looking at experienced pilots as well as pilots rated on the Learjet for their engineering division.

Well good news for AFA, 30k a type rating for a rating that I would assume only costs about 20k.

The article I read said they would look to upgrade as many FOs to Captains internally as possible, implication is opening up cadet First Officer vacancies and minimising Direct Entry Captain recruitment. suggesting most of the recruitment will be cadets paying for the type rating.
Tidy profit for the sim companies if nothing else.

Has anyone or know anyone actually been recruited from the RYR talent pool?

I think that since it's been announced, only cadets have been recruited until now.
If I remember well, the talent pool was founded before the pandemic hit the industry. They had slowed down recruitment due to the grounding of the MAX.

Any idea what arrangements will be in place for the NTR lot? Upfront payment or training bond? Can't picture a wide-body CPT paying for his TR.

With the expectation of over 200 new 737's in the next few years, Ryanair will need more crew.Its not rocket science, they are expanding and taking advantage of the market.

paying for ratings is nothing new, it is a benefit to the airline, they don't have to assume any risk, it is more common in other airlines than most of you think.
The days of being bonded are for the most part, long gone.

This is just the start for them, I am sure they will soon be advertising for experienced crew, lets not forget other companies will be expanding and recruiting, so Ryanair will lose quite a few to attrition.

Banana Joe, has nailed it they will need experience, it was only a few years ago they were desperate for experience, they were offering a golden handshake, it will happen again. I know a few that came to me for some prep in the sim before interviews and got jobs, apparently the interviews were very straight forward, non of this group exercise, computer stuff, but common sense and a good sim, a very grown up approach. They all seem pretty happy with the way things turned out.

What about the crew they furloughed during the pandemic ? Any call back ?
RYR is a good beacon on the state of this industry, if they hire heavily, other will follow.

As far as I know, all the crew that are on furlough or on unpaid leave have been flying on a rotating scheme. Besides those that took long unpaid leave (6 months or similar), are all current. Like all the fleet is. When things pick up, the whole work force is expected to fly.

PilotLZ

I can picture a lot of widebody Captains paying for their type ratings:
1. They have the money.
2. They need jobs.

There's a thing called Covid been going around, it's destroyed the industry and made a lot of people desperate.

I'm not so sure about that, I have no job as an FO, decent amount of savings but I won't be paying for a type rating.

Don't fool yourself.

I'm neither a captain nor an excessively experienced FO - I have no intention of paying for any rating. I'm not one to pontificate and will admit I'd sign a contract offering lower pay than it should be given the climate, but 30k to RYR? No.

If these captains you speak of are so desperate then what stopped them applying to the RYR cadet programme in March? They'd be flying right now ..

In 2009, during the financial crisis, a lot of experienced Pilots did apply for the cadet program. Ryanair wouldn't touch them.

I can honestly tell you that there are numbers in the 100's of experienced Captains in their 40's and 50's (coming out of expat jobs in the ME and Asia) who would, given the offer, pay to get themselves flying again.

Prior to COVID, there was a small but noticeable number of expats giving up the big stuff in Asia and the Middle East, taking a pay cut and joining low cost airlines back home. Being in your own country, sleeping in your own bed at night and saving your marriage was enough of an incentive.

At the moment, with the number of laid off Captains who either won't get called back, or are bitter about the way they were shafted by CX/EK etc, Ryanair will be spoilt for choice.

The cost of the type rating is a couples of months of their previous salary and will soon be recooped while the all important recency is maintained. It's better than being a delivery driver for Amazon.

My prediction is a massive shortage of pilots in the next 18 months. I have no skin in the game, I'm not involved in training of new pilots. I know of so many pilots who were a few years away from retiring who have pulled out early. Enough money in the fund to live comfortably and this pandemic has made them realise that there is more to life than sitting in a tube at 3AM. Add in the number of pilots that would have hit 65 in the last 18 months plus natural wastage through lost medicals etc and I think the industry might be in for a shock when it gets up and running fully. Just my prediction. I'm usually wrong....

You might be right about that. I friend of mine is flying for transavia FR, this summer they do have a shortage of FO and he is already hitting the FTL. The situation is the same for other low cost who manage the reduce the crew/plane ratio to the minimum, in order to boost summer profit. This situation can't go on forever; but right now they need cash flow to survive the winter/fall season. After that, if the pandemic is under control, they'll be hiring heavily. There will be shortage of experience crew, but don't fool yourself, there will always be unlimited supply of fresh cadet.

MOL was on Bloomberg a couple of weeks ago. He said that there would be an abundant supply of experienced Pilots on the market for many years to come.

The real fly in the ointment is that while the UK and Europe are recovering from the pandemic, Asia is not. Asia is a huge percentage of the business of the ME3 plus Saudia, plus CX. Until Asia recovers there’ll be a very significant oversupply of Pilots.

Currently Ryanair can do what they want, they will fill every vacancy. People are more than willing to pay for a type rating. They come back from these expat jobs after 10+ years with 500k to a mil in cash (€ or £).

kungfu panda

How much?? Just come back from 8 yrs at EK with just over £100k. And thats going on my mortgage!

Really. You don't save hard enough. I've got 500 and a house out of 11 years in China and the middle East. That's after wasting a lot as well.

Relative has 2900 hours on 737. Just been made redundant following another LoCo restructuring and has renewed licence and medical last month. Holds U.K. and European citizenship. Should meet the criteria, but it’s a funny old world atm.

The EU citizenship is key. He’ll get another job just as soon as the skies reopen. You just got to feel for the British guys who are restricted to employment within the UK.

kungfu panda

I doubt pilots will earn that sort of money in the post Covid era!

I’ve not seen any specific employment adverts relating to this recruitment drive. Do you just join the holding pool and hope that you are trawled?

Basically It is best option for EU area zero hour pilots. Anyone knows when will they call for interview? Or any guess?

They've been interviewing and training cadets for a a few months now.

Any approaches to experienced FOs in the talent pool?

Maybe towards the end of the year. They have interviewed some for Lauda ops.

Lauda has a specific set of requirements for the U.K. recruitment; namely U.K. passport/right to live and work in the U.K. and EASA license. I understand that it’s experienced FOs only/DEC.

annakm asked indeed for experienced candidates.

Thanks, I did. Specifically 737 experienced FOs.

No chance for me. Have about 760 Actual hours ON Type about 10000TT ( 737 Rated ), According to their info, I will have to pay another 30K for doing TR AGAIN as I am below the 1000 On type and 1200 TT.

Thanks but no thanks. Spend enough so far on my career.

P40Warhawk Have you been contacted by them?

Was going to ask the same question.

I’m swimming in talent pool. 737 TR. 3500 hours. Kept EASA licence current - but still waiting for it to be returned after SIM early this summer. Dual nationality U.K./EU . Medical also current. Flexible over base. Still nothing.

Some cynical replies there I see. Well if you had any sense of the state of the industry in general you would see it's so plain. Ryan are recruiting cadets as they don't need LHS bods they have enough as well a a large number of FO's waiting for command. Nothing to do with money, they just don't have any demand for DEC, at the time.

I was speaking last week with a old friend who is at FR and he was saying they have over 300 cadets in the works but they needed more to continue their conveyor belt fir aircrew. Management are preparing for rapid expansion in Europe. More bases planned and they expect to start their injection of the MAX imminently. All crew are doing their max training so they are ploughing on with their proposed attack on their competitors.

Banana Joe

Na not yet. I will shoot at it anyway. But I know their philosophy. You fit or you do not fit the requirement. If you do not fit, then you have to take the only option left, which will be 30K paying for a TR I already have with even 750 Hours On type.

Forked out already enough money so far. Not going to spend it on same TR again and start on lowest part of the stairs and be a cadet.

Paying that amount of money for same TR would be ridiculous. If it was for New TR it is also Ridiculous, but at least a new TR.

Email received advising me my Expression of Interest” in the talent pool is incomplete. This was because of a delay in my updated license being forwarded on (renewed beginning of May, received Thursday 26/8) so until yesterday, I have been unable to scan a copy onto my resume. Not sure if this is a sign that CVs are being actively viewed or just a computer algorithm identifying missing details.

Ryanair are hiring cadets because they are effectively paying their own wages. Get a grip.