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Wallogui

29th Dec 2018 19:31

MCC Simtech Dublin OR Sky4u Berlin RYANAIR.

Dear colleages,

I am about to finish my CPL,IR and ME and I need to make an important decission in order to achieve my goal of becoming an excellent commercial Pilot.

Next step in my eduation is to choose a good and competent training center to take the MCC and if I can use ryanair sop's even better.

Both training centers are quite good and they count with a program to enhance your CV in the eyes of airliners.

If you need to choose between Simtech in Dublin or Sky4u in Berlin, Which one would you choose for and why?

Pricewise it is very much the same comparing both APS MCC.

Thank you in advanced for your help and recommendations.

See you in the skies. :)

flyfan

30th Dec 2018 08:52

If you want to join Ryanair, then why don‘t you apply for the MCC APS they‘re offering themselves?

(Which is, in fact, provided by Sky4U - https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...ith-sky4u-ato/)

Wallogui

30th Dec 2018 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyfan (Post 10347137)

If you want to join Ryanair, then why don‘t you apply for the MCC APS they‘re offering themselves?

(Which is, "this user is not allowed to share links until it reaches 10 post")

Thank you for the reply. Ryanair are not offering the MCC themselves. They signed a collaboration agreement with both centers I mentioned Simtech and sky4u.
Furthermore, the one in Dublin has been collaborating for a longer time already. But I would like to know if someone can offer an opinion based on experience or even just a critic, every input is much appreciated.

Thanks again for your comment.

aviationfanatic

7th Jan 2019 09:38

Hey all,

If you are looking to complete an APS MCC with an official Ryanair partner go with Sky4u

https://www.sky4u-berlin.com/courses/aps-mcc-course/

Just to clarify, Ryanair has no affiliations or agreements with Simtech and never had.

Best of luck with your MCC

Moldu

30th Jan 2019 06:17

Hey folks,

I d like to try the assessment for the RYR APS MCC at Sky4u but I really don't know what to review...
They've mentioned 4 things : atpl assessment, English test, psychological test and psychotenic test.

Has anyone passed it already and can help us with his/her feedback?

sky4u_berlin

30th Jan 2019 18:38

APS-MCC assessment

Hello everyone,

A little insight into the APS-MCC assessment here at SKY4u in Berlin:

during your 1-day-test you may expect:

psycholog. questionnaire
mathematics test
ATPL knowledge test
psychometric testing
assessment group exercise
final interview

Specific preparation is not required, but we recommend that you address the following topics:

English grammar and literal speech
mathematics rule of three
trigonometry
percentage calculation
geometry
ATPL mainly operational content

You will receive a comprehensive introduction to the psychometric test procedures during the exam, and you will also have time to do some practice forehand of the respective measurement phase.
If you have ever heard of something like "Skytest" or "cut-e" and similar aptitude tests, then this what you may expect.

For the interview we are looking for a relaxed athmosphere, we would like you to be well prepared, have your logbook tidy, show us your passion for flying, be positive, self-confident without being over-confident, self reflecting and "properly dressed". We are seeking pilots in the role as first officers with the look into the future as airline captains...

We are conducting an assessment every week, preferably on Wednesday, occasionally on other days.
The APS-MCC course will start every week on Monday.
FAQ´s can be found on our website under "Courses" and "Airline Pilot Standard MCC".

Cheers,

the SKY4u team

chrivas.intl

16th Mar 2019 12:02

Hi, is there anyone who participated in ATTC SKY4U intake assessment to share his experience? If you have any more information other than what we can find in this post, please send pm.
thanks!

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aronsha

15th Apr 2019 23:18

Hi,
can you tell me a definite advantage of the APS MCC compared with a normal MCC? That justifies the higher price?

737crew

16th Apr 2019 21:39

simtech should be your 1st choice

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10448404)

Hi,
can you tell me a definite advantage of the APS MCC compared with a normal MCC? That justifies the higher price?

Simtech has a proven track record. Would definitely go for them. Price isn't much higher. Due diligence and then decide

ShamrockF

17th Apr 2019 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10448404)

Hi,
can you tell me a definite advantage of the APS MCC compared with a normal MCC? That justifies the higher price?

Normal JOC uses any jet aircraft. For example, Simtech use an XJ trainer which I think is a combination of 737 classic and CRJ. It's a bit of a mongrel. You'll learn generic procedures and settings.

An APS uses a specific aircraft type, for example Simtech use the 737-800 for their APS. They use the Boeing FCOMs and you'll spend your time studying the same aircraft Ryanair use. Also, you'll spend 40 hours on the sim (instead of 24 for the standard JOC) which will be helpful when you are going for your sim assessment in Ryanair.

To take it a step further, by going for the AFTA or Sky4u, Ryanair APS schemes, you'll spend your time learning specific Ryanair procedures and callouts. This leaves you in a much stronger position when going for a job at Ryanair. However, if you go somewhere else it may be of little use (depending on their aircraft type).

travis.karl

17th Apr 2019 11:23

why not TFC or other major ATOs

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10448404)

Hi,
can you tell me a definite advantage of the APS MCC compared with a normal MCC? That justifies the higher price?

I did my MCC at TFC Kaeufer and some additional stuff at Simtech. Was a good decision because the people introduced me to big major airlines, not only RYR. Definitely worth the money.
Simtech has a new full B737 FTD1

sky4u_berlin

17th Apr 2019 11:38

Hi!

If you would like to send us an email to [email protected] I would be happy to answer your questions :)

SKY4u

aronsha

17th Apr 2019 20:06

I'm not talking about flight schools in the first place, but about the APS MCC. IMO it makes no sense. Why pay more without any advantage during the screening process?

ShamrockF

18th Apr 2019 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10449889)

I'm not talking about flight schools in the first place, but about the APS MCC. IMO it makes no sense. Why pay more without any advantage during the screening process?

The advantage is you spend 40 hours instead of 24 in the sim. Also, the sim and procedures are usually specific to the Boeing 737-800 aircraft, not a generic jet. When you go for a sim assessment as part of Ryanair or another 737-800 operator you'll be much more comfortable and familiar with the aircraft. Also, when you go to do your type rating, you'll have a distinct advantage as you'll have spent a few weeks studying the 737-800 aircraft already.

GanjiGirl

18th Apr 2019 11:38

APS is no job guarantee

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10449889)

I'm not talking about flight schools in the first place, but about the APS MCC. IMO it makes no sense. Why pay more without any advantage during the screening process?

APS gives nobody any job guarantee. I'll just decided to do a MCC JOC at lower cost and I'll do it at Cockpit4u or TFC. These have a high reputation and many contacts at different airlines - not only one like RYR.

BoeingLudo737

18th Apr 2019 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanjiGirl (Post 10450370)

So what airlines have Cockpit4u & TFC got contact with?

aronsha

18th Apr 2019 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShamrockF (Post 10450251)

I found an offer for MCC/JOC for less then 5200€ on full flight sim with Lufthansa!

Jolax

19th Apr 2019 19:51

Guys, does any of you have feedbacks about the APS MCC offered by AFTA?
I read that they have a partnership with Ryanair but their website doesn't have.more details.

travis.karl

19th Apr 2019 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolax (Post 10451498)

Guys, does any of you have feedbacks about the APS MCC offered by AFTA?
I read that they have a partnership with Ryanair but their website doesn't have.more details.

Just look at news dating 14.09.2018 -
Ryanair, Ireland’s No.1 airline, today (14 Sept) announced a major new training partnership with Cork-based international flight school, Atlantic Flight Training Academy (AFTA) to deliver the Ryanair/AFTA Mentored Pilot Programme. This new 16-month intensive training programme gives trainee pilots a structured path to achieve their pilot licence and reach a standard where they are ready…

travis.karl

20th Apr 2019 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 (Post 10450519)

So what airlines have Cockpit4u & TFC got contact with?

With all majors in Germany plus some big names

aronsha

21st Apr 2019 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 (Post 10450519)

So what airlines have Cockpit4u & TFC got contact with?

What about Lufthansa? Ever heard of them?

travis.karl

27th Apr 2019 21:48

LH and C4U

Quote:

Originally Posted by aronsha (Post 10452627)

What about Lufthansa? Ever heard of them?

Cockpit4u is an official partner of LH for many years. The guys from Sky4u are former C4U employees by the way. Doing a sad job, trying to compete but no chance. RYR will terminate the cooperation soon. Not sure why they selected Sky4u at all

ollie135

27th Apr 2019 22:43

As somebody who is about to put down a deposit for an MCC/JOC at Sky4u instead if SimTech can you please justify your claim that Sky4u are doing a poor job and are on the edge of termination by Ryanair?

Thanks

RomanK

28th Apr 2019 08:19

My JOC with Sky4u went very well but it was in Jun2018. It was not related to RyanAir, indeed I quickly got my assessment with FR. My mate went through JOC+MCC and got FR assessment quickly as well

BoeingLudo737

29th Apr 2019 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie135 (Post 10457598)

He obviously cannot prove it. Sounds like sour grapes?

Banana Joe

29th Apr 2019 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollie135 (Post 10457598)

A friend went to Sky4U a few months ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. He's got his base training scheduled this week. Worked out very well for him.

GREATFEMPILOT

29th Apr 2019 21:14

Simtech was superior

I went through the APS at Simtech and it was the best decision ever. Who cares about RYR when AerLingus is just a doorstep away? Passed the screening and waiting for a type rating slot. Final words from TRE: Simtech tipped the scales.

GREATFEMPILOT

29th Apr 2019 21:41

Difference between Sky4u Cockpit4u whatsoever

Just checked their websites. Seems that they're not directly affiliated. Cockpit4u is older than Sky4u and has a wide range of courses. I guess I would go for Cockpit4u rather than Sky. Sorry but Cockpit's partner is more impressive than RYR.

travis.karl

29th Apr 2019 22:39

Truth hurts

Come on, fellas. Why so serious? It's like if digging a bit deeper some1s to find some troubling shxx about SKY4u.
Relax. Truth is SKY is a startup and barely competes with the big established flight schools. Heard that Sky's partner just ordered an A320 FBS while others already installing them on site and running soon their courses on it. Wink wink. Good morning! You're a little late, huh?

BoeingLudo737

30th Apr 2019 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREATFEMPILOT (Post 10459225)

Correct who cares? However, people do care as Aerlingus might hire 50+ Cadets and RYR will probably hire 600+

GanjiGirl

30th Apr 2019 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 (Post 10459477)

Correct who cares? However, people do care as Aerlingus might hire 50+ Cadets and RYR will probably hire 600+

... and will lose again some +600...
As far as I know CAE is RyanAirs major partner. Its not SKY4u. They just get some crumbs. Your calculation is misleading.

BoeingLudo737

1st May 2019 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanjiGirl (Post 10459713)

... and will lose again some +600...
As far as I know CAE is RyanAirs major partner. Its not SKY4u. They just get some crumbs. Your calculation is misleading.

I think you really know little or nothing

Banana Joe

1st May 2019 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanjiGirl (Post 10459713)

... and will lose again some +600...
As far as I know CAE is RyanAirs major partner. Its not SKY4u. They just get some crumbs. Your calculation is misleading.

Ryanair like some flight schools (like Bartolini o DFS) and some MCC providers like Virtual Aviation and Sky4U. Not many go to CAE for their MCC. CAE is their partner for crew training.

Banana Joe

1st May 2019 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by GREATFEMPILOT (Post 10459225)

You can't say Simtech was superior unless you tried both. I went to Simtech and enjoyed it a lot back in 2017 (despite their crap sim) when the APS was not a thing yet and I can't say it. How can you?

Reverserbucket

1st May 2019 13:53

Banana Joe - can you give some more detail about the Simtech sim - what were the issues?

Banana Joe

1st May 2019 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverserbucket (Post 10460537)

Banana Joe - can you give some more detail about the Simtech sim - what were the issues?

When I went to Simtech the APS-MCC was not yet a thing. It was a simple MCC-JOC and their XJ sim was used. It was a mix between a CRJ and Boeing 737. That would be good enough for an MCC if it was not for their rudder pedals that could not be adjusted (I am rather short) and the trim was terrible. You would trim the aircraft and one second later it would either pitch nose down or nose up whether you trimmed up or down. It was impossible to fly that thing hands off.

As far as I know, for the APS-MCC they are using a proper 737 sim.

The instructors were very good.

travis.karl

1st May 2019 22:44

Simtech has a fantastic new B737 FTD1

That one's better than Sky's, guaranteed.
They're using it for standalone MCC and APS MCC. But I wouldn't recommend the APS unless you're a rich kid. MCC JOC is totally sufficient imho.

sky4u_berlin

2nd May 2019 11:55

Hello aronsha, you will find a link to the FAQ about the APS-MCC on our website, just click on "more" below the APS-MCC box and then the FAQ link will be visible on the next page

BoeingLudo737

2nd May 2019 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis.karl (Post 10460935)

That one's better than Sky's, guaranteed.
They're using it for standalone MCC and APS MCC. But I wouldn't recommend the APS unless you're a rich kid. MCC JOC is totally sufficient imho.

Can you please share with us what evidence you have to prove that Simtech is better than Sky4u? You sound like you have some personal issues with Sky4u

BoeingLudo737

2nd May 2019 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanjiGirl (Post 10459713)

... and will lose again some +600...
As far as I know CAE is RyanAirs major partner. Its not SKY4u. They just get some crumbs. Your calculation is misleading.

Sorry my calculations are not misleading and Ryanair recently announced this at a Pilot event. They are expanding their fleet and this would be the main reason.

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