DLR // Lufthansa storage od test results...
 

Lufthansa keeps your data 365 days (https://www.be-lufthansa.com/en/jobs...ta-protection/)
But DLR keeps also your data! As far as I understand until you ask them to delete this data!

You could do this request any time. Then with your next application you say that you never went there.

(If some body did it like this in the past please contact me)


In my understanding discrimination of pilots comparing to other employers because they could apply again after 365 days but a pilot can not!
ONLY PILOTS CAN APPLY ONLY ONCE - EVEN WITHIN THE LUFTHANSA GROUP!!!!

There is no "German logic" for this (it's an old relict because this DLR testing was designed to assess in advance the chance that you would pass successfully the Lufthansa flight education.

I received an email the 22/12/2016 from Eurowings Europe too with the DLR affirmation form. No response so far about the date of the tests.

Sonicfox, have you done the DLR test before with another airline of Lufthansa?

I received the mail with the DLR affirmation form and wait for an invitation

No this is the first time

DLR duration
 

Hi,
Just a simple question.

If One in the past had attended the DLR test for a Lufthansa Company airline and he failed, how time he needs to wait in order to applicate again and perform another DLR test?

Thanks!

One time fail means never again in LH group.

P40 - sorry, not true, I also thought like you, but when I did my DLR GU for Eurowings AT we had out of 6 gusy 3 that failed once to three times the DLR GU and they could do it again, one of them will fly for EW AT.
@Sweta
I am agreeing in most points, but if you can effort to live with an F/O salary as F/O in a major airline at your homebase I think its worth to think about - in my case, 46y., A320 TRI, LoCo Capt- and thinking about step back to RHS - but anyhow - a lot of pro´s and contras, for sure.

Hi guys! who is waiting for the sim screening?

Assessment eurowings
 

Hi guys,
Anybody invited for a dlr. I have sent my dlr affirmation on the 22 of december. I have called Eurowings and they say that they didnt receive a response of dale yet and that I have ro be a bit more patient.

Sigmar aviation is now searching for Air Berlin/Eurowings?
 

Hi there, anybody with good good news from the DLR? How did you enjoy the test/DLR/Hamburg?
Any feedback?
Was it easy the Test? Anything relating to flying which you had to do there or just full of psycho ability and capacity tests?

Seems they don't get enough pilots ->> Sigmar aviation is searching now, probably without DLR??

And regarding a negative DLR test, you have to trick this psycho clowns there: Ask the DLR to delete all your tests. Second you can apply again and just say that you never applied to any Lufthansa company - but better to do this maybe 6 months later....
Lufthansa is not allowed to keep any records longer than one year (the DLR can, it's a different story and that's why you must tell them to delete your profile).

Hi Svetlana16! I passed the test! It has been difficult, but not impossible if you prepare it!
Only ATPL questions are related to flying! (60 questions).

Svetlana my take on it,

Applied for DEC (Eurowings Austria) PMI base through Sigma Aviation Services, part of screening process involves,


The screening process follows the LH Group standard model:
1. Basic Testing (*DLR or SWISS psychometric/aptitude testing) 2. SIM Check Ride
3. Assessment Centre (Group Exercise and Individual Interview)
Note that all candidates are required to complete all three stages of the assessment in order to be successful. No exceptions can be made with regard to 'skipping' stage 1 unless you have a valid DLR test report from within the past two year period.

so regarding the captain salary in EW EU I have just been updated by a friend that recently joined in January: a full month of basic salary for a cpt with few hours is 3200 euro netto (albeit for 14 month)! I mean, how could they find people willing to fly for them?

No exceptions??? except the Air Berlin TRI's/TRE's @ Eurowings all without DLR test
 

The very funny thing is, that none of this Air Berlin TRI's and TRE's, who are training the Eurowings pilots, had to do this DLR test (confirmed from a friend doing the Sunexpress/ Eurowings A330 Operation).
There is also rumors that some AUA captains did not do the DLR test but flying for Eurowings?
So you are trained by trainers who did not do this full DLR test but from you they want you to pass it? Strange you think? No it's normal.

I tell you guys, this Eurowings thing is a joke - 3 days selection at different places across Europe for a lousy salary of 3000 NETT something for captains salary? (Which I don't believe....but anyway)
Each selection day for maybe 2-4 pilots they pay one whole day for 2 instructors from Lufthansa mother company?
Your ATPL is not enough, no they send you to a psychology screening to Hamburg and you will be x- rayed if you are suitable to be a pilot (how good they are in this you can see for example with Andreas Lubiz, ex Germanwings F/O).
Do you knew any low cost company wasting money like this? Go into the orange hanger (for example doors trainer) of easy jet and compare it with Lufthansa training center, you knew the difference, and you will see why Lufthansa airlines or even German people can never run a successful low cost company (because they are to honest and they can not accept 80% and relax - own opinion). Probably they need to do it like easy jet or Rhynair when selling tickets. You never knew from the beginning how much the ticket will cost ( at least in the past it was like this, now it's changing a bit). I have the impression those low cost companies trick their crew.

I can't believe how desperate people must be to work for such a boring operator? One guy I knew was a few years with the old Germanwings and he said - terrible, terrible terrible. If he had stayed there he would resignate mentally. He was so fed up and bored..... and Germanwings was not his first job. It's the treatment, the flights, the low cost **** and saving at the wrong side.... I believe Eurowings might be the same. You end up among very young streamlined young career orientated guys who talk to you as a captain what you want to hear. Who never have seen anything else because starting after school directly with flight training.....

Guys did you want to have a life or work in a flying factory?
There are a few nice jobs out there where you can still enjoy the art of flying.....

And guess what. I heard that now just after one year searching and running selections they could not find anymore experinced German pilots without negative DLR test so they are trying now to go international.

Anyway, do what you have to do. Everybody is responsible for his own life.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but think you are barking at the wrong tree.

The catch here, as usual is to go there and get rated (or upgraded) and leave ASAP. 3 years bond is good enough to earn your stripes and get confidence enough for when you land a better paying job (Eastward) and you find yourself flying alone most of the time. You need to be absolutely sure of yourself when moving to Far East and earning nearly a Million in three years.

As a general rule, the Sun comes from East and so does the green!

The thing is people complain about P2F and/or low salaries. Governments and Unions can't (won't) prevent deregulation from finding its way and spread like a virus.

The only weapon we can collectively use is either by not applying (someone always will) or more wisely massively applying, succeeding and refuse it in the end, simply because of the terms which are not satisfactory. Milk them with flights and hotels (if applicable), go test yourself, you might end on knowing someone and learn a little bit.

One old dog who claimed that he made more than 10.000 pilot interviews in a big three of the ME said he could know in less than 5 seconds the person he had in front of him, also confided that many applicants came merely for sight seeing and a nice flight and hotel with no real intention of staying even if sucessful.

Otherwise would they be recruiting after over 15 years in a row?

Have them taste their own medicine!

Just to clarify? Do i need German language knowledge to do DLR test and for rest of selection. I am not german and don't speak Germany.

Good question.

I had a mail yesterday asking me for CV licence medical etc and then I have to call them when I update those informations. Asking specifically to call seems good though ?

I had exactly same email. And even initially German language was not a requirement after reading this thread I see that DLR is done in german...? or not? anyone can confirm it?

I made the DLR in english!

thank you...

Hi ,

I got an email last week, Was asked to update my profile and to call them as well ....All I know is that there is an assessment on the 09MAR which is fully booked . I don't speak german myself ...

I gave the call after updating my application. They ask me to call back the day after because the lady taking care of it is on assessment. I call back the day after and a gentlemen told me to send a simple mail what I have done.

I was disappointed after the second phone call. Expecting to talk to someone.

Now I an waiting!

I'm still waiting with no reply at all after 3 letters and phone calls and emails and so on, from the month of November to be compensated as they deliver back my luggage after 1 weeks and broken too!!!
Eurowings, Germanwing :=

any update guys ?

I got invited for the DLR TEST . :)

Congrats!

I am waiting news after updating my profil. I hope something good will come.

Any good way to prepare to dlr for free ;-) ?

Arrowcapitan, when do you have the DLR Test?

@Mlambin Hey, I think you can't find a software preparation for free... I used Skytest and I passed.. for English review the grammar and synonyms!

I got invited as well, I will get the Skytest pack to prepare it.

What do you mean by review grammar and synonyms?

Basically, the English test is about grammar rules, and synonyms. Grammar I mean all the basics rules, question tags, plural, and so on.
synonyms are quite hard... (for me) difficult words never heard before...
Then I found also some sentences "common saying".
Look also in the german forum pilotenboard.de!

I sent the DLR affirmation the 22 December and they just told me I have to wait more. they are not able to tell me an approximate date

Not yet but I send it yesterday only.

I bought the Skytest app and how my God it's getting difficult. Electricity is a nightmare.

If you have applied as Ready Entry you can skip this part Mlambin. So that's good news for you today.

Practice makes perfect! Good Luck!

I apply months ago for that position but Don remember the name of the position. I send the DLR Affirmation as they ask we will see now.

I start using the Skytest app, not that easy :-) electricity and optics were fun already

Same here,

sent the DLR affirmation form in January and called them to ask a month after... they said DLR has a big queue and they can not give me an estimated date...
I got some software to train the DLR from a friend, but it seem to be old as the test names you mention (electricity and optics) don't have anything to do with mine.

I have things like ROT: rotation cubes, RMS: Running Memory (sequence of numbers backward), SKT: Concentration (triangles with dots), VMC: visual memory (shapes)....
Do you guys have something like that?


I guess Ill have to buy the skytest...

skytest is way forward, but would not spend money unless you invited to attend DLR first. As its mainly used in germany/Luthansa group in particular.

would make efforts applying everywhere else rather then just hoping on eurowings

This sounds like a bad news after I got the "good one".
Anyway for me it is too late I bought already the Skytest app. It's fun as well so it's not completely lost.

Let's keep hoping I will get called for that DLR.

are you allowed to write on a piece of paper for the maths questions ?

Gents, a lot has to be explained about the DLR. In order to help community, feedback from (successful) applicants is essential. Personal techniques and relevant infos are more than welcome.

Applicants do not apply to DLR test. The airline proposes applicants to the DLR test according to their own preferences and criteria. The test is conducted every two weeks only, meaning they will take some time to fill the seats with applicants. Should one expect an answer longer than most counterparts, it may mean that the airline has put some other applicants ahead according with their current needs. The "good thing" is that most will fail the test, so more time to study/prepare yourself and more chances to succeed.

PREPARATION:
When you receive the invitation you will get a password for the DLR training website and can expect a comprehensive information list with tests to be expected (but not all). Alternatively, you can buy access to similar tests online. From what I read so far, this will help you improve significantly. Some exams are not exactly the same as in training, either less time in reality, more/different figures/or info provided through headsets, rather than written on the screen.

For my own experience DLR provided tests are enough. Fell free to think differently.

ON THE EXAMINATION DAY:
The address is: Sportallee 54A (right wing of the building), 5th floor, then go left off the elevator/stairs. Be there on time or before, after all this is Germany! You can't go wrong here.

The room has 48 stations (seats and tables) 6 rows x 8 columns, although it is not supposed to be full on examination date, in case of equipment failure. Each table has a touchscreen and a joystick. There is a waiting room next to this room, with a toilet next door and some free water dispenser (no coffee as it increases your blood pressure and it's also diuretic).

For about 15 minutes, they will brief you about the airline's requirements and what to expect while collecting your documents. They are easygoing (for Germans), and provide sets of instructions before each test with a very calm voice.

Before each test, you will have a few chances to practice the test. Only when every applicant terminates the practice period, there will be a questions period before actual test, so everyone starts at the same time getting the same chance.
DLR has the BU (for ab-initio applicants) and the GU (for ready entry pilots) tests. Tests for Captain positions do not contain English or Aeronautical knowledge.

They come in this order (irrelevant):

ROT
SKT
>>10 minute break<<
RMS
KRN
234 Personality questions (in 40 minutes)
>>10 minute break<<
VLR
VMC
>>10 minute break<<
96 Cockpit Management questions (attitude and leadership style - for Captains)
OWT
>>1 hour lunch break<<
MIC

These tests are done with a computer, meaning they are inflexible regarding time and assistance. No paper, calculator, cellphones allowed.
Read all DLR (and your recruiting agency's) information thoroughly so you can save time on examination day.
They (DLR) write things like this in the preparation package "you can't expect your employer to teach you things you should already know according to your license", etc..

Typically German, I suppose.

On the instruction phase, assume you haven't read the sets of rules before. This will force you to read everything from scratch and obtain the required mindset, then you will have a chance to practice without time or score pressure. You'll end flying the Airbus, so you better off starting to read instructions from the beginning. The same applies here, no joke!

TIPS:
ENS - Disregard if you are doing well on training. There are a few 5th grade books or get an updated grammar. I don't mean to offend anyone, but for most, ENG is not mother language - even for the one's who is - most write/speak according to what seems right, sometimes it isn't.
KRN & RAG - Google vedic math tricks. You will be amazed! Allow yourself some time to learn.
KRN - They provide information through headsets, then purely mental calculation.
RAG - You are allowed to use pen(cil) and paper, but really no time to sketch you thoughts.
FWT - Get the dust off your ATP books. Expect Law, Ops procedures, Wx and Performance questions mainly.
OWT - Stay as far off the screen as you can to gain perspective. Be advised, actual test is all the way at Level 3 from training made available online by DLR beforehand.
SKT - Memorize only the Keywords (Colour/Orientation/Dots) two by two. You have 15 seconds for this. Repeat them in that order as many times as you can, before and during the test. When they change, do this again.
ROT - It might help to train everyday. Close your eyes and picture the cube. It shifts from easy to difficult.
1) Remember that if position is LEFT/RIGHT, you can move cube FRONT/BACK [over it's edges] as many time as you'd like and it will stay on that position.
2) Remember that if position is FRONT/BACK, you can move cube LEFT/RIGHT [over it's edges] as many time as you'd like and it will stay on that position.
VLR - This is actually one of the few natural skills you have to use here. You can sharpen speed by training, but you can difficultly fool this simple test. Step back from the screen to gain perspective. You have 5 seconds to memorize turn sides (L/R) so try overlap your LEFT/RIGHT hand over the other according with turn side. This will allow you not to forget or get confused (read line 1 from VLR).
RMS - Ever asked yourself why phone number usually only have 9 digits? Memorize sequence 3 by 3 or 4 by 4 and you will memorize at least the last 6 digits easily.
1) The trick is to repeat them to yourself when the sequence ends because you have to write them in reverse and can only erase the last two digits.
2) They will start with difficult sequences and then blend some hard/easy ones with no order nor warning. Some have as little as 7 digits, so don't expect 5 seconds after audio starts to pay attention!
VMC - Incredibly this was the test people complained the most. (Read line 1 from VLR)
1 two-back, 2 three-back, 2 four-back 2 five-back sequences. Should you make this one mostly correct, you can bet that DLR will recommend you to ESA Astronaut Training Center in Koln. 🤥
MIC - Being an Airbus FO helps. Use left hand to input touchscreen and right hand to control joystick. The joystick behaves "like the side stick" although feeling is different.
1) You set TURN and/or CLB/DSC desired rate and release it to neutral position and it will continue on that position until you counteract to break TURN/CLB/DSC rate.
2) You have plenty of time. Approximately 45 minutes training and 10-15 minutes test.

Try to remember, they want good pilots, not perfect. In some tests 85-90% is target, in others 30% is very good. Think of this whole day as a "game" and don't take it too seriously. This will help you relax and succeed. You will also meet new people. Probably some will be your colleagues and friends afterwords.

Good luck, hopefully you won't need it.

Just keep an open mind!!!