Aer Lingus now recruiting Direct Entry F/O's
 

Recruitment ad for Direct Entry F/O's just posted on Aer Lingus website. Scroll to bottom of home page of aerlingus.com, to "About Aer Lingus". Closing date December 10th. Good luck.

Hello,

thanks for the info. Any idea of what the screening process is made of?

Thanks

Anybody having trouble entering their details on the online application form???

Thanks for the Info.

Hey Dougle Mcguire, I printed it out, inked in the blanks, scanned it, then emailed it:8

Hope they don't get a flood with type-rated people on the 320, which is to be expected I guess.

As far as the application goes, I've simply edited the pdf with an application called Nitro PDF Professional and added all my entries in a redish colour. Thought it would keep things neat and speed up the process.

I'm really curious what the timeframe is for this application, how many they will need, where they will need the most, how the selection procedure looks like, etc. If the info on ppjn is anything to go by it seems like a fair old school interview + simride and psychometric questions. No austronaut exams like DLR or something similar.

If anybody has any news, my eyes are peeled.

hours
 

Anyone got a clue what F/E and I/R time is exactly? As far as I could work out, F/E is flight engineer (?) and could only have a stab in the dark with I/R.

If someone could set me straight I'd much appreciate it!

Thanks in advance.

I'd say I/R is probably instrument time, but may also stand for "Instructor Rating"?

Don't flame me, I haven't seen the actual form.

I haven't even applied with this requirement. If its like FR, they will give priority to the Irish / British citizens. Think its a waste of time for cadets like me filling in that form. What do you think guys?

Cheers!

When you say cadet, what licence do you have...if its a fATPL then APPLY, what chance have you got if you cant be bothered to spend 20 mins filling in a form...:ugh:

Pacrion - for gods sake apply! Make it their problem to deal with your application, rather than it being a problem for you as to whether you think you should apply!

F/E is flight Engineer and I/R is Instrument time.

Thank you! I'll do it for you... haha
The using of "Cadet" was 235 hours total time, (f)ATPL, IR, ME, MCC and English Proficiency. Without any type rating & line experience.

Hi all!

Some info about conditions, pay scale..? I've found some Aer Lingus PDF on the net, something about 40kGBP per year for a 1st year F/O.
Guess full insurances as loss of license, etc, right?

They say also will give some priority to a320 guys, and to people with Multi Crew commercial experience (I'm around 1300hrs on 737NG). What about the TR? Guess they give it to you and you sign a bond, how long is it?

Thank you!

The year 1 FO salary WAS 57,888.20EUR on the latest payscale. I say was because last year when the company was allegedly going bust each and every pilot had their salary reduced by 10% across the board and salary frozen. The most junior FO's were hit the hardest as their current salary is actually less than when they first started 4-5 years ago.

On top of salary you will get sector pay of approximately €8-10k per annum. During summer we were all working our butts off and sector pay cheques were around €1k per month. I don't expect this to continue through the winter as the flying programme is reduced and also with all of the training that will be going on. sector pay is tax free in your hands. My understanding is that the company pays any tax due to the Revenue before you get it.

There is also a thing called variable performance pay. Basically you took the hours you flew in a year less a threshold multiplied by the applicable rate for an FO and hey presto. It was taxable but generally in a good year you got a cheque for about €8-10k paid just before Xmas. Whenever there is a lot of training going on your hours get reduced as sectors will be freed up which hits you in your back pocket. This could be in the form of 330 people coming back onto the A320 or newbies joining the company or any other host of variables such as volcanic ash. BUT there are plans afoot to give back performance pay to the company in return for the increments on our salary scale had we not been frozen. Remember that the final salary is predicated on funnily enough your final salary. Having this frozen has a negative impact on your pension as it reduces the amount being paid by AL into the fund. Hence why the union has been so keen to get the annual salary increments back.

There are no loss of licence or any other add ons such as company medical insurance that most other companies pay. We do in DUB and ORK have a final salary pension scheme although who knows what will happen to that in the future. It is currently under funded and we are working longer till retirement. There is also talk of a pension cap. There is a pension regulator in Ireland who has enormous powers and can change the nature of the scheme should he so wish. No one knows what the future will hold in that regard.

I suggest that you find an online tax calculator to work out what your take home could possibly be. Remember the country is effectively bankrupt and there will be the mother of all budgets coming in the next month or so and probably more pain. If you want to live miles away from Dublin then you will probably find the salary okay but if you intend to live within close proximity to the airport in a nice area then expect to pay through the nose and not save anything.

Thanks MCDU2 for the information!

My contract with my current company finishes on April next year, and I'm just starting to look for some jobs.

My first option until now was Middle East. They pay good, good conditions... but maybe the life there is a little bit difficult.

Until I saw that. AE could be nice, but I'm not changing my mind if the job offer is not attractive, sure!

F/E I think it is Flight Examiner time rather than Flight Engineer ..It doesnt make sense otherwise

A couple of questions for anyone who has heard back from AL:
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1) Outside of specific requirements AL gave on their website, did they seem to be looking for anything else in particular in terms of training, ATPL results and the like?

2) For anyone who has got the nod, did you complete a modular or integrated course of training?

3) Did they give any indication on the number of cadets which they hope to take on in this round? desperatepilot mentioned a figure of 50 above - is that accurate?

4) Was there any indication of basing once training has been completed?

5) Did they give any indication of future recruitment plans - if they envisage this type of programme as being annual/bi-annual/something that's never going to be seen again in your lifetime? (I'm hoping to have the ME/IR and MCC done around April 2011, unfortunately not ready yet.)

Thanks for the replies and best of luck to anyone with an application in.

I would suggest a simple google search to give you a background into the ELP. Then a call to the UK CAA who presumably issued your licences and ratings.

Maybe this isn't the right place for this, but what is a fATPL?
I get that it's a frozen ATPL, but what does frozen mean? How can you have an ATPL with only 250 hours? Is it the same as an FAA Commercial?
If so, can an FAA commercial be converted to an fATPL?

-Andy

@darkroomsource: http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-182347.html

Just curious what are the chances of getting the Washington Dulles base if you are able to live and work in the United States? I have a USA and European passport.
I am currently working for a European airline but wouldn't mind heading back the the US.
I am not type rated on the Airbus but I have 2000+ hours of 4 engine jet time. Thanks in advance.

darkroomsource,

A frozen ATPL is simply a CPL/IR and MCC. It is not an actual licence, just a name given to describe this particular stage in your training, and therefore the bare minimum to be deemed recruitable as a First Officer by airlines in Europe.

The ATPL becomes 'un-frozen' when you achieve 1500 Hrs, 100 night hours, 500 multi-crew hours and several other factors, including having passed an ATPL skills test (usually in conjuction with an LPC/OPC in the sim).

Hope that's helpful.

Regards, SF.

Thanks for the info.

Aer Lingus Selection process
 

Hi all!

Does someone know the selection process?

I read that we have an interview, following by a simulator screening on A320 and then psychometric tests. Do you have more information?

Cheers

Guernott

Does anyone heard something from mr lingus?
and how long did it take untill you heard anything?

Grtz

Hi guys

Anyone knows if the recruitment process is like Ryanair´s assesment (interview and sim check) or is more like written exams, interview and sim check.:confused:

And where the assesment will take place. Dublin or England.
Where was it last time??

Thanks

Chipifly it's 3 stage process as far as I am aware interview, simcheck on 320 and then psych testing.
Interviews take place in Dublin, and as far as I am aware they have already started...

@ irishone: are you sure? the closing date is december 10...

Thats what I want to know!!! They cant have picked everyone they want to interview at this stage, correct me if im wrong:confused:

Well there was interviews today anyway for sure, I don't know if it was the first day of them or not.
I'd say they are interviewing as they go as someone said.

Daily Telegraph is reporting that the Irish government will be selling their stake in Aer Lingus as part of the financial bail out ...

I suggest that this thread should be merged with the "Joining Ryanair all you wish to know about it" thread :eek:

Aer Lingus sell-off
 

It is likely that a bidding war will erupt for EI as some of the other players will want EI - BA / AF etc. It is a nice fit for some of the legacy carriers and will have a lot to offer

Depends if FR can block the sale with their shareholding

EI as a job looks good at the moment. It will be paid well, good pension, retire at 60, and if you have made any money in the sandpit you can pick up a nice detached home in North Dublin for cash. You will have missed the boom / bust and can take part as the country deals with the massive hangover it has got

Ireland to request bailout package from European Union - Telegraph

Pure guesswork at the moment

Any of you guys know what the roster/working week is like in Aer Lingus?

Also whats the average day like, sector wise, and overnights?

Cheers!

Hi all!!

Sorry, I have no idea about the roster...

Did anyone receive an email or a call from Aer Lingus??
I applied for F/O direct entry 14 days ago, and I'm still waiting...

Cheers

Preparation
 

Any body want to link up and practice A320 flows and procedures in Yorkshire area ??

Pilot790,

Have you been contacted by Shamrock regarding an interview? Im still waiting

hi
 

hello ppl,
is there any vacancy of pilot in aer lingus? if yes, then how to apply? pls help

pahwa1989 on the application form it says you must be able to write and speak english, judging by what you have put you dont qualify!

called them today to check if my application arrived, since i sended it by mail. It did, and got a reference number, we'll see what happens now.

Anybody already called up?