turkish airlines assessment
 

Hi guys.
Is there someone have done the interviews for Turkish and could give me some info about the screening, I mean type of exams, simulator, psico or not, , ?

Thanks.

I just finished my interview and selection. It was quite the experience.

But nothing you cant handle.. Except the sim is a little stressful. But all they are looking for is how you fly according to your experience level and how you handle criticism stress under pressure. Plus the want to see if you can get along with different customs as some can be viewed as aggressive and rude.

There is more to the whole process than meets the eye... there is also the political issues within the company and its young pilots...

I also did the psychometrics test. That was crazy.. and fun at the same time..

They may have you write a 30 question ATPL type exam taken from the ACE book.. Even the narrow body captains write it sometimes...

The whole selection process is very tedious and you must have a lot of patience as they are following their procedures.. not what makes sense to you and me.. but its their way, just accept it.

You end up waiting around 3 - 6 hours everyday and have your schedule changed three times a day sometimes more.. So what.. just do it and smile...

I didn't really have a problem as its their company and their way.. A lot of captains got upset just from the waiting... I can understand that too..

Their problem with me is that I have too much time as an FO but not enough time as a captain because I fly for a major carrier and never could hold a left seat... I am waiting to see my fate..

More to follow...

Hello wetbehindear...:)

Yes in a way we can understand their culture. the only difference between Turks and Greeks is the language and religion. Everything else is very similar.

How do I evaluate a captain?... When I said the word Captain, I meant candidates that are currently serving and hold the ranks and responsibility of Captains in their current positions wherever they are employed. As such, we (meaning candidates), are used to more efficient ways of recruiting and selection.

I have been a captain stuck in a metal tube delayed at the end of the runway only having to shut down and sit there waiting for some ATC delay for almost two hours.. then only having to turn back to the gate.. So patience is a virtue.. besides what good does it do to get angry or upset? It's poor leadership for your crew and passengers... That's how I would evaluate someone being a good captain... Since you asked...

The process at Turkish is very slow and inefficient but thats their way and if you want the job you have to suck it up and just do it... None the less some people won't put up with it and thats just the way it is..

Yes I agree it can be negative experience and I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling in the sim... but I also understand that they want to be 100 % sure that they can get along with you as a person, and that you don't have an"Attitude" that will cause problems in their circle (whatever that may be). They have a lot of young inexperienced pilots, and they need Captains that can provide good leadership and act as mentors.. Its just how you do it wouldn't you agree? If not.. thats ok too.. we all have our own opinions:)

Cheers,

Hello Captain,

Sorry if my comment it is not related to the subject,

I have a question about Turkish Airline.

I hold FAA and Jordanian CPL/IR

if I pay to the company my type rating costs and line training as well , will be a chance to work with them as a fresh first officer?

please be so kind and advice me in what to do as prop pilot in middle east ! how can I become an airliner pilot?

You must be joking.

IRAQIFAlCOn, pls try these website.. they can help you...


https://pilot.cae.com/Careers.aspx

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Hi dear pilots,

Anyone who start his job with THYcould you share please details of life for expat pilots over there. Did they do convertion of your own licence to the Turkish, or you should apply for 14 exam in DGCA to have a Turkish ATPL ?

Will appreciate for kind info.

Anyone with recent experience?

Hi.
Does anyone have experience with the THY four-days screening process in Istanbul ?
I am specially interested by the type of simulator they use as part of the assesment.

Hi, beside sim any info about interview after and group interview would be nice to have. @Sinalco, are you next week in Istanbul?

Hi, I am going soon You ?

Hi. I'm on the 1st of July also. Trying to find out any info possible

Hi guys, how is it going? Did you passed the interview? How many candidate are not proceed? Please send me information and explain please about the whole process .. Thank you! :):ok:

Here is what you can expect, pro's and cons.

Apparently I was in very first group of candidates. We had 4 day screening process.

1 day - Group interview, simple interview with psychologist. Everything was recorded and simple task was given for us to write down
Than we had 1 on 1 interview with psychologist. On this part you simply have to be yourself and to take part in conversation.
After this session they informed immediately 3 out of 10 persons that they failed and they had to go home.

Document check was fast and easy - took 10 minutes and who followed requirements did not had any issues.
ICAO english test. Was done on computer, no examiner. Was quite straightforward.

2 day - Sim and interview. Interview was with captain and hr, simple questions like why turkish, do you like instrument flying, if you have family would you relocate, how do you see yourself in five years.
Sim was on FNPT simulator which reminds on B737. It's not a real 737 but some aproximation. Session was in two parts, first part traffic pattern, raw data, second part was standard
departure, inbound VOR than ILS aproach and landing. Also raw data, briefings should be done. One guy had to go home after this.

3 day - Full medical check. Very similar to initial Class I but to certain extent maybe even more strict. Very nice hospital, very professional.

4 day - DLR testing. I had it for a first time so I did not know what to expect. It is same test as tests received from them and with careful practice nice result can be achieved.
All of us failed so out of 10 people no one passed. We were coupled with certain number of local people and many of them failed, just maybe few passed.

So at the end DLR was breaking point for all. Some of people already done this test before and passed on some other places but here was not enough. So threshold is obviously quite high.

Pro's - It is first class experience, you have paid ticket to come to Istanbul, paid hotel and transfers, you really feel like respected professional



Con's - You get absolutely no information about further steps or what to expect if you pass everything (how much TR will cost, how it will be performed, when ) To much info hiding.
- You did all tests and checks and DLR as a last. According to DLR guide DLR should be done with minimum change in living environment and
here test was done after fly in, 3 days of different tests and stressful events and living in hotel which is not your everyday environment.
- Pass rate which is for my group 0, maybe we were to bad, better groups will come or DLR threshold set by Turkish is quite high.

Anyway all people going there I wish you best of luck and I hope you will pass so you can share maybe with us other details what we have missed.

I am F/O @Turkish Airlines, B37.

Go ahead all.

What do you mean?

Hi! Could you give recommendation, about preparing for test and interview? What is the most important things? Because, according nebojsar answers, it is approximately unreal to get a job here

1. About DLR, can you tell average percentage for passing ? For example for MEK, OWT and RMS.. It is not easy to get a 80 % for this type of tests

2. Simulator is NG 737 or CL?

Thank you for the answer!

Could you tell me please, you should to pay for tickets, hotel and transfer ?

Hi guys ,

Yesterday I received a email from Turikish and they said screening date has been re-scheduled for a another date ( I had the assesment on 16 of july).

Anyone with the same problem?

Does anybody know how much is the TR if paid by myself (B737NG and A320)? There's no info about it.

Thanks

Hi guys,

And for those who are already A320 type rated, is the process the same?
Thanks in advance.

Your inbox is full. I can't PM you.

Type Rating for A320/737NG is about 18k EUR (excl. VAT)
Doing my interview next week. Apparently they ditched DLR, they got another system now, hopefully it's easier but I've had no feedback on it

Hello, you already were on screening or you are going for first time? Are you sure about 18k for type rating.

I'm actually doing the first part of the assessment (personal interview & docs check) in my flight school, which also did the screening for THY. 18k is what I, as a recently graduated cadet with no experience, will have to pay. If you're going on a different route maybe it's another price.

Hi guys,

anyone of you was rescheduled ? i am still waiting for the new assesment day ...

I have the assessment later this week can you give more details about the conduct of the day ?
I tried to PM but your box is full ;-)

Hey all! I've been to a presentation from THY. They confirmed that they no longer use the DLR and at the moment they haven't replaced it with anything else. Also salaries for expats (I don't know about locals) have increased. FOs now get on average about 27k TL (about 4k euros) a month. At the beginning you also get 20 days annual working days leave and 7 casual. Type rating for my case still remains at 18k EUR for A320/B737.

Thanks for information, that all seems fair enough. I still hope that i will receive further info from them soon.

:eek: BULL*S*H*I*T THY told you !!

I am at THY, while jumping away ..
So much BULL**** they tell you and you easily accept that? Be smart and think, before you act.
My tip to you is :
Go there only, if you need to built up hours, if you want to fly day and night with almost no rest, if you do not care about safety.

Here, you get the truth:
RE 1: No matter, they won`t be able to hire a high number of pilots for bull**** conditions, if they were continuing the DLR qualifications.
And vice versa, DLR won`t accept to give their good reputations for a bull**** test.

RE 2: Very easy and very sure about: SALARY IS EQUAL FOR LOCALS AND EXPATS!

RE 3: I doubt 27K TL in average !!! Maybe in the Bonus-Month (March, June, Sep, Dec) But not in regular month, without overtime payment and without per diems, etc.
By the way, just to give you an idea, how much worse the situation is: 2 years ago, per-diems were cut from being paid by hourly time away, and if I remember correct, 12h or more was a complete day, into being only, if away 24hours. Also bear in mind the downhill path of TL. The forecast is 7 TL/EUR soon, which will affact the banks in Turkey, who are expacted to crash by 7.1 exchange rate.

RE 4: What is beginning for you (or the THY team). After 1 YEAR !!!! You will be able to benefit from vacation, not a single day before. AND: You ALWAYS in all years of employment, you need to work a full year to be entitleled for the 20days. If you do a month unpaid leave, you loose all!!! There are so many unfair tricks THY uses, so do not count on it. Also: The month you have vacation, you will loose partially OFF days. That means, they do not take the working days for vacation only, but also the OFF days to turn it into vacation days.

RE 5: What a big lie !!! Yes, in my contracts it says so. But depending on the will of the THY, and in real, at this time, no chance. And, if you do get it, you have unpaid leave, resulting in what you see in number 4 above.

RE 6: I highly doubt, that there is a difference in bond or payment for locals and expats. Most probably the difference is, what you qualification you bring with you. On top, actually they do the TR in IST, the costs are in TL. But they ask you, and they have asked the cadet pilots for EUR bond. With the crashing TL, the cadets are not able any more to pay all tha back. Or other pilots, who NEED THEIR SALARY for their live.

For me still excellent chance for job. We, people who dont have eu passport find this as big opportunity. Every company has pros and cons. Anyway thanks for information, it is good to know and to make whole picture of employeer.

I am at THY, while jumping away ..
So much BULL**** they tell you and you easily accept that? Be smart and think, before you act.
My tip to you is :
Go there only, if you need to built up hours, if you want to fly day and night with almost no rest, if you do not care about safety.

Here, you get the truth:
RE 1: No matter, they won`t be able to hire a high number of pilots for bull**** conditions, if they were continuing the DLR qualifications.
And vice versa, DLR won`t accept to give their good reputations for a bull**** test.

RE 2: Very easy and very sure about: SALARY IS EQUAL FOR LOCALS AND EXPATS!

RE 3: I doubt 27K TL in average !!! Maybe in the Bonus-Month (March, June, Sep, Dec) But not in regular month, without overtime payment and without per diems, etc.
By the way, just to give you an idea, how much worse the situation is: 2 years ago, per-diems were cut from being paid by hourly time away, and if I remember correct, 12h or more was a complete day, into being only, if away 24hours. Also bear in mind the downhill path of TL. The forecast is 7 TL/EUR soon, which will affact the banks in Turkey, who are expacted to crash by 7.1 exchange rate.

RE 4: What is beginning for you (or the THY team). After 1 YEAR !!!! You will be able to benefit from vacation, not a single day before. AND: You ALWAYS in all years of employment, you need to work a full year to be entitleled for the 20days. If you do a month unpaid leave, you loose all!!! There are so many unfair tricks THY uses, so do not count on it. Also: The month you have vacation, you will loose partially OFF days. That means, they do not take the working days for vacation only, but also the OFF days to turn it into vacation days.

RE 5: What a big lie !!! Yes, in my contracts it says so. But depending on the will of the THY, and in real, at this time, no chance. And, if you do get it, you have unpaid leave, resulting in what you see in number 4 above.

RE 6: I highly doubt, that there is a difference in bond or payment for locals and expats. Most probably the difference is, what you qualification you bring with you. On top, actually they do the TR in IST, the costs are in TL. But they ask you, and they have asked the cadet pilots for EUR bond. With the crashing TL, the cadets are not able any more to pay all tha back. Or other pilots, who NEED THEIR SALARY for their live.

Don`t play discrimination card
 

Hey nebojsar,
you can`t tell me, that you were not able to find a job somewhere else, can you? Come on, take it easy.
I can tell you, that only 1 ("one") job position I found attractive within EU for the last 4 years, and ALL others, like 50 or more, where outside EU. Also I will not move back to EU, continue as expat in ME/AS area.

Again, if you are a low timer, yes, that might be a very good chance to built up time. On narrow body, you will make 500 hours or more in less than 5 months.
No where else you can get that. Bear in mind, the price you pay for it....

Good luck

I am low timer without eu pass so number of options is really low. I ve asked many eu airlines I ve applied to to sponsor at least eu blue card and none wanted to have anything with it. All seems quite unfair since most of those, especially low costers fly to many non eu destinations yet nationals from those countries cannot apply for position with them. Only bright example is wizz.

FO programs for low-timer
 

I agree, the behaviour of many companies is very unfair and they even make money with new (lowtime) FOs.
So THY is not the only company, making money on back of the employees....

Tip: I do not follow up the market for lowtime pilots, but I remember, a few years ago, several airlines in Turkey did a low time FO program, such as Atlasjet, maybe also Onurair, but also some very small airlines. Sorry, I forgot the name of them. Vueling in Spain did the same, but nor sure, if they do today. Good luck.

But whatever you do, please do not sign a bond in EUR or USD!!
Whach my next post!!!

Thanks for the tip. In my country we have also slipping currency so i know exactly what you mean. I