Brussels Airlines is hiring since yesterday (15/01)
 

First Officers AVRO RJ

Brussels Airlines is looking for first officers for the Avro RJ fleet.

The candidates should have the following qualifications:

Fluent in one official Belgian national language: French, Dutch, German

JAR-FCL :
- Valid theoretical ATPL
- Valid CPL (A)
- Valid multi-engine instrument rating (A)
- Certificate of satisfactory completion of multi-crew cooperation (MCC)
- Certificate of English level proficiency 4 or above
- Class 1 medical

!!! If you satisfy to the above-mentioned criteria, you can apply by sending your CV and motivation letter to the following e-mail address: [email protected]

DO NOT APPLY ONLINE

A few spots for thousands of people.
The reason I insisted on posting it is because TR is paid for by the airline.

Good luck!

So do all office staff/engineers at the airline speak French, Dutch AND German. If not, what is the purpose of the language requirement other than to deter foreign EU nationals? Why would German be satisfactory if the engineers only speak Dutch, for example. Typical EU national state protectionism. :ugh:

You don't stand a chance, if you're not Belgian Citizen.
When they have to choise (like in current economical times), they don't take foreigners, because they leave the company within a few years.
Nothing to do with protectionism, it's a fact that foreigners leave the company when they have a little bit of experience. Fact of life.
So if you are looking for a free Type Rating, it won't be with BA unless you are Belgian.

Dutch and French are important, interview will be in both languages with consideration which of the two is your native language.

Almost as good as the reportedly tough English test for AirFrance pilots who then proceed to natter away to French ATC in French at every opportunity (I wonder if they do the same on the flight deck) - not the best for SA of the rest of us (although clearly not the only culprit)

Air France is a French speaking flight deck.

Frankly, I don' t see why they would select a Belgian fATPL over a foreign ATPL with significant jet time. Between fATPL, they' ll probably go with domestic ones.

I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that they were being let down by their domestic pilots who left in mass for better paying airlines and also because they were hiring contractors at over twice the cost, or something.

You have asked me through PM to delete the thread.

This is a European market, so let' s not be hypocrits and give everyone who meets the requirements a chance to apply.

The moderators will delete it if they deem it necessary or at the airline' s request.

I' m sorry if you are a Belgian fATPL looking for your first job, but the same way you are allowed to apply for a job outside your country, foreigners have the right to apply in your country.

air france is a french speaking flight deck.. who gives a :mad: exactly no-one only the french themselves.. also... that guy there on about belgians, its like saying you cant apply to ryanair unless you speak irish and are from Ireland.. get real man if an airline discriminated in the eu because of nationality and it was somehow found out they would/should be shut

I see the quality of replies hasn't really improved here the last few years.

Ryanair is different, they have bases all over Europe, so you can work for FR and live relatively close to home. And you pay your training, so they don't care...

But there will be no Airline with one home base in Europe who will pay for your training if you are not from their country or bring in a lot of experience (even than...).

You are in a profession were you not only need an open view in the cockpit, but also in life. Suggest you think twice before you write something completely useless.
Self fulfilling prophecy is something dangerous in our business...

@cruisepilot
I personally know 4 people who got their T/R paid by an Airline who are expats. (They had all no previous experience on turbine 2 of them with 250TT)... This was a few years back though...

Most of them, irrespective of whether they belong to the Francophone, Flemish or German communities, will speak their mother tongue and at least one other national language.

There is no escaping the fact that life here would be very difficult without a good working knowledge of French or Flemish and thus it is reasonable to expect an employer or anyone else for that matter to expect an applicant to be in a position to fully integrate.

This is not a protectionist issue - just common sense.

I did the selection procedure in the past in Brussels. They do expect at least English and French. Dutch is an asset. There are only few airlines who do not require the national language. In Nordic countries they assume you speak one of their languages and in the south of Europe it is the same.
Personally I believe a pilot will never stay in his airline if he doesn't want to integrate in the country of his base. The biggest part of integration is learning the native language. Airlines think the same. You better accept this or you are just waisting time applying.

So is it right to think that if you cant speak any of the languages mentioned above you are wasting your time applying, regardless of meeting all the requirements?

I would like to move to a different country for a bit and build on the basic language I learn't during my school days, I think it would be a good life experience.

punk

Thats the problem from reading the other posts, they don't want people there for a wee bit, especially if they're going to pay the TR. They are looking for people who are more likely to stay on a more permanent basis.

Hello... If I may... We have some pilots here in belgium who speak nothing but english. No dutch, no french...

I'm almost certain an unilingual people (english of course) has his chance to integrate the company. The only thing is to show he wants to stay for at least 4 or 5 years, and a willingness to learn basics of french or dutch.

Sorry for my english, I no longer practice a lot....

So, come on and apply! We have Guiness :E

I would very much like to point out.
 

One of the reasons a company demands certain languages is obvious.

You can't work in a country where all the staff speaks 3 languages and yet you don't speak or barely speak the native language of said country.

It shows lack of willingness to integrate with that company.
A lack of willingness to do so can indicate that you probably aren't going to stick around long. Not to mention that you have to deal with people inside the company that do work day by day purely in the native language.


Quite a few airlines in Germany demand 2-3 languages. Yes some will fall back a bit on the requirement if the person has several thousand hours jet and a type rating. However... they will expect them to learn basic is my supposition.

The above mentioned airline isn't any different and at least they are asking for one of the 3 languages and not all three.

Finncom is yet another airline asking for fluent Finnish as well as English.

Also quite a number of Scandinavian countries ask for similar.

In all fairness, at least said airline isn't asking you to part way with 20.000 or more to do a rating. I'm sure learning a language would cost quite a bit less.

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Smith
 

Sorry if I wasn't clear in my last comment, what I meant was that I would like to stay for a BIT meaning few years not months.

I speak 2 of the languages required fluent. But I doubt I will get a callback as basically all the unemployed pilots and wannabes from Holland, Belgium, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Luxemburg will apply..... This will be about 3000-4000 application I guess. Their HR office will have a lot of reading to do in the next few weeks:8. I know from someone in the company that Air Berlin had about 2k applications with mandatory fluent german as requirement. Imagine what will happen if one of the UK airlines starts recruiting?:zzz:

Some French and some Dutch natives flying within the company.
As far as i have heard, applicants come from a waiting list from before recruitement was stopped in 2008.

My apologies for hijacking this thread a little but some of you might be interested to hear the figures I have been told directly by the parties involved in the present pilot hiring process and it clearly shows what's going on out there at the moment...

The outfit undertaking the selection for one large German carrier reported receipt of "thousands of applications from all over Europe" for the 120 positions available. Since plural is used minimum must be 2,000; rumors are well over 4,000.

One of the companies selecting cadets for a large Irish loco carrier said people recently applying can expect a "several-month waiting period before receiving the call." It further said they have been "inundated with applications" and while they could not find enough people to fill TR courses only 18 months ago they are now facing difficulties in dealing with the large volume of applicants.

Calls to smaller GA outfits operating CJ's and TP's, who are seeking cockpit crew at the moment, said that they have received numerous applications from people with ratings and lots of hours on-type (1,500+). One of them said within only two days the ad was online they had "received over 100 applications."

A friend of mine training at a newly founded integrated FTO in central Europe says his school churned out around 100 grads last year. The number will go up to 200 this year.

And now even more bad news: one of the LH regionals is kicking off a restructuring program in March this year, which will lead to the grounding of 17 of its 34 aircraft, resulting in probably laying off around 50 percent of the current workforce.

Boy, what did I get myself into when deciding to become a professional pilot?

This shows that even if it will get better and airlines are starting to recruit again, there will still be a few hundred applicants for every vacancy for the next 10 years or so... The crazy thing is that a lot of people are still doing commercial training.....