@Zyox Have you heard this somewhere else then on PPrune? As we all know not everything you read here is thrue. Remember the rumour a few weeks ago about being laid of after 500h!

@Swinglow I have. And that's what's prompted asking.

Zyox, Not a problem. I know how frustrating it can be trying to get a sensible answer on here! But that moan is for another day :}
Word in the crewrooms are that cadets are still on for starting in October time and Swinglow confirms this as he/she is starting in October. :ok: Best of luck to you all.

Thanks CommandB. Hopefully that's the case. Cheers muchly for the reply :ok:

I have my TR in October as well, and I have heard nothing from RYR about any delays for me.

I guess the courses that were recently postponed until March-April 2010 were originally planned for late 2009. So, still hoping for October.... :)

I gave up posting on Pprune a long time ago. I'm a senior FO at Ryanair, I have over 1400hrs now, up from my 200 I had when I joined 18 months ago. Pprune is a venting station for anger against persons that have done better than others. The arguments wheeled out against RYR and O'Leary are the same bleatings they were 2 years ago.

My advice - sound out some REAL RYR employees if you can, and ask them yourselves.

Regarding training, I have been quoted a figure of 120 cadets for this years intake, and there are some base training at the moment. Type rating courses are being delayed now until next year. Forgive me, but is this not sound logic? Would you rather pay your 30,000E and then get no flying, when your based on a contract that pays you PER HOUR? It's not rocket science.

Horgy

Horgy welcome back. It's not a case of doing better than others if you work for RYR, you cannot be so dilluded that you actually think that. RYR is now the ars@hole of the industry, be it for terms and conditions or customer service. Whther you want to admit it or not you and your colleagues are driving down T's and C's for the rest of the industry.

Don't mistake honest banter and discussion for sour grapes. :ugh:
You are very welcome to RYR but nothing that REAL RYR empolyees have said on this thread has convinced me to stop encouraging others to think twice before paying for a TR at 30,000 euro's!!! for a job with no security as a contractor. Yes as a CONTRACTOR, no guarantee of a job or hours or sick pay etc.

Get over yourself fella. You are encouraging people to spend way over the odds on a TR to work as a contract employee with no rights or say. It's not rocket science!

for what its worth i have never worked for ryr, but i fail to see how this is in anyway relevant.i've never worked for RBS that doesnt mean that i dont understand how fred godwin cocked it up nor have i never been the manager of manchester united doesnt mean i dont know anything about the team.so why just because i have never worked for ryr does that mean that i am wrong in what i am saying.the reason being im 7 years at this and have over 4000 hrs jet, while im far from the voice of experience i would like to think i have built up sufficient experience to spot a scam when i see it.ryr type rating scheme is a scam lets be honest here...the only thing they guarantee is that your 35 grand lighter at the end of it.no promise of a permanent job,no promise of a permenant base, no promises just bull£$%^.these are the facts, and there unfortunately now we're seeing a race to the bottom in this industry being led by ryr.i've worked hard at this and i deeply resent it.to be honest the most troubling thing is all these brand new guys with their brand new licenses think they in some way know it all and that someone like me is blowing smoke out of my backside.when infact they know next to nothing.the great thing about this industry is as soon as you start to disregard the advice of people who are more experienced you tend to get bitten in the backside

if all ye guys want to give o leary 35grand then be my guest but when you get well and truly shafted with forced unpaid leave,short notice base changes, or laid off indefinately because they are great over crewed or your too expensive(because remember they make a cracking profit on the type rating),having to buy your own water,no crew food,paying for your lpc,setting up your own company and all the dodgy tax dealing with crookfield then dont say ye werent warned.

i hope im wrong and i wish ye all the best because you need a great portion of luck to get ahead as a pilot, but please dont make yourselves look arrogant by dismissing the opinion of those who have been in the game longer than you.i dont know everything but im long enough around to know i never want to work for that posionous midget o leary.

Every airline has their faults. Pilots will never be happy, the grass will always be greener.

Pilots are the most unadaptable people at times, some of the guys i've spoken to think it's almost criminal they have to take an empty bottle of water to work and fill it up. Times are changing, and people have to adapt with them. I don't see any problem with filling my bottle up. Plus it saves money. Plus the water is colder. Plus it saves X amount of waste on bottles.

Even if O'Leary implemented all the changes BALPA want, pilots would still want more. In summary, if we we're all given company women/men at our disposal, pilots would moan their breasts weren't big enough!

I accept, in some cases, Ryanair customer service leaves a lot to be desired. But so does BA, and Virgin, and Thomas Cook, and <insert airline name here>. No-one is infallible.

I second COMMANDB's comment regarding the employment situation as it stands. There is no-one else recruiting. If there was, you would pay for your rating, either outright, or in the form of a reduced salary. As it is, I have successfully offset my Type Rating cost, and every single cost involved with Ryanair I have incurred against my tax bill.

In summary, I work 5/4. The planes don't break. I clear £4,000 a month. I fly brand new simulators. My roster doesn't get changed at late notice. I have an open channel of dialogue to my base captain, head of operations, the flight safety office, and much more. More importantly, I enjoy my job.

I see the message you are trying to convey - think twice before embarking on significant investment in an airline, that involves a large expenditure. That is advice I heartily endorse. All i'm saying is that RYR really isn't as bad as everyone says it is. As CommandB says, if you wish to question a specific T&C or point regarding the operation, i'm happy to give you my response, as long as you won't shout me down as being in bed with our management. The people (not necessarily you) who peddle this anti-Ryanair drivel just bang on about generalised statements and refuse to accept any other point of view. And that is exactly why I got fed up of posting on pprune.

Horgy

Blackred -

I suppose you'd heartily endorse my friend's experience at ThomsonFly then. Told subject to training he'd have a job at the end, shelled out his money, went to Jerez and was told there was no job when he finished.

Ryanair is just an easy target for what is happening industry wide, it's just not as well publicised.

And yes, I am "referred to" as Senior, in the sense I have 1 years experience at Ryanair. Whether I would regard myself as senior is another kettle of fish. In a nutshell, I have 3 bars instead of 2.

Horgy

Horgy, a well reasoned and valid response. The only thing you have said that I find difficult to accept is the issue regarding your tax issue, the whole tax situation that Ryan encourages is a con. They save a small/large fortune in tax and contributions themselves by having you contract as self-employed.

It's there to make you think you are earning well but have you deducted all your expenses, paid for insurance, in short reduce that 4000 by all the benefits that the rest of the industry take for granted.

Have you taken any legal advice on this tax situation? Because whilst it would be bad enough for RYR to lay some of you off because they can if they need to, but what about the double wammy of facing a huge tax bill from an Inland Revenue wising up and no job?

Enough from me..best of luck all.:ok:

Heres my experience: Offered a TR in October after passing assessment in early 2009. 2 Friends offered TRs in November after completing the assessment also in early 2009, 2 of my friends also failed.

A few days ago my 2 friends were contacted and told their TRs were cancelled/indefinitely postponed (most likely until april 2010). I brick it when I hear this and 5 minutes later I see an email from RYR HR pop up on my screen so I really brick it. My TR was still going ahead in Oct but was delayed by 1 week, I have also heard of an earlier TR still going ahead in Oct.

No one out there is saying RYR is the best job in the world but it beats scrapping around as an FI or in Mcdonalds (which I have tried). paying for interview, parking pass, uniform, insurance etc is something we all consider. We know the score, RYR pay me to fly plane, they have no commitment to me, nor I with them (3 months notice to BRK sux tho). They do not guarentee anything but everyone I know with them are flying lots of hours and happy as a pig in muck. Its not forever but its a good start when times are tough.

I passed my assessment which took place in May. My TR is scheduled for Nov. I have heard nothing about postponement for my date - this is backed by my colleagues on the same TR.

Taking each day as it comes :hmm:

BOTN

I passed my assessment in East Midlands at the end of March and was offered a TR in late November (was origionally told August :*). Unfortunatley I got the dreaded phone call saying its now delayed until April at the earliest. Was also told that the interviews are only valid for 1 year. There was a mention of sim sessions to keep the interview valid but it was very vague and had to be confirmed. There certainly was no mention of having to repeat the sim cx to me. Can anyone confirm if they've been told otherwise regarding the sim cx??

Mr Horgy,

You been demoted by Mr pressman, hehe :}

Pressman,
I think you are looking in too deep. What mrHorgy means is he has 3 stripes...

Also those who where at FR before they got rid of the "SFO" title and havnt gone for command (there are a few around) still carry the SFO title on voyage reports.

:ugh:give me strength

Things change very quickly in RYR. Sadly for those at the bottom of the ladder the company has decided to play politics and freeze all command upgrades/promotions for those based in the uk. This effectively means around 1 third of all FO's in the company are frozen out of the command upgrade process. No moves at the top mean no new slots at the bottom, however, if you are a direct entry 737 skipper its wounderful news.

I dont see this situation changing until BALPA/DUBLIN stop bashing horns.

It sucks, but good luck to you all:ok:

Ryanair Cuts Stansted Winter Capacity by 40%
 

Yes they are....

Ryanair - News : Ryanair Cuts Stansted Winter Capacity by 40%

Ryanair to put scheduled routes on ice over winter
 

They will definetly need your money now more than ever:

Ryanair to put scheduled routes on ice over winter - Times Online

Plenty of jobs around :sad: