Yeah, I should have made it clearer earlier. Still a wannabe, and I'm not believing everything I read! I'm really interested in going to FTE (or CTC/sponsorship if at all possible). I heard of a guy from Cork who got a job with Easy straight after training with FTE. Are you out there now? What are/were your impressions of the training? Did you have much experience before you went there? Send me a PM if you want, this is going off on a tangent.

A few facts before everyone goes mental.

The company are trying to recall cadets from 2001. Some of these cadets are Captains in other airlines by now, some are F/Os some quit aviation completely. My Ialpa rep tells me that the company is trying to give them much revised T&Cs especially regarding pensions(They won't get the final pension salary). The Union says no way.

Irish protectionism/Prefer Irish/Irish speakers, whatever. Its bull****, I am sorry to dissapoint Irish wannabess. I don't fly into Dublin that often but I can tell you from the RT when I do go there and the Aer Lingus Drivers I meet in the waiting area in the Mater for my medicals, I have met plenty of Scots and English Boys and Girls who got in on the cadet programme for example.

I very much doubt that there will ever be a sponsored cadet programme ever again in the same vain as the BA/Aer Lingus ones ever again. You should never say never, but never! Aer lingus has made huge changes to imitate the Ryanairs of this world.

I do hope as a recent ex-Lowtimer/job seeker that they do take on Low Timers, and those on the bottom rung get a look in. Best of luck.

Well said Telstar.:ok:

Hi all
I was having a jar with one of those lucky cadets, who expects to start his course in June.Priority will be the cadets,survivors of.After that, experienced guys, if there's any out there who want to come home...:(
regards
TDD

what they're looking for?
 

Lads i was wondering if any of you could give me an insight into what EI might be looking for in a low houred-fatpl,apart from the basic requirements.

I'd be interested to know how far back they go,god knows the ould leaving cert could have been better!Also,had to repeat a couple of the atpl theory exams and was wondering if this would affect my application.

I'm confident that my flying ability is up to scratch,but unlike some of the other guys that might apply,I don't have a degree and am afraid my c.v will be inadequete compared to others.Maybe a few hundred hours instructor time would help in the long run.Would love to hear any opinions,ta!

Don't even joke about the requirement being able to speak as gaeilge :eek: .....mine's shameful at best.

Most airlines specify a degree these days especially if you are a low hours pilot, simply to reduce the number of applications that they need to go through.

Obviously if you have been a Captain for 20 years with x thousand hours then this may not be so important but nowadays, it seems a degree is a minimal standard for low-hours recruits.

However not having a degree does not mean you have no chance, just those with a degree and similar experience will have a beeter chance at employment all other things being equal.

Hope that helps somewhat!

jamesiek, What are you on about?. You must read a different jobs section, of a different flight international magazine. I have never once seen a job advert specifying a degree.

I'd like you to quote me a specific source word for word, or I am not interested!

Sorry Telstar, might have come across the wrong way......what i mean is that if you are up against a number of low hour pilots and all of you have similar flying experience then they will look for something else to differentiate you from the rest. ie a degree. This is when it may be very useful.

I have actually seen one advertisement somewhere specifying third level education (for an Asian carrier if i remember correctly), but yes it is a rarity alright. Perhaps we will see it requested more in the future as the pool of low hours pilots grows and Airlines struggle to differentiate between them???? Might not be a bad idea!:8

It would also have relevance in terms of applying to a cadet scheme, but talking about that in this thread would not be relevant.:=

I have heard that Aer Lingus like third-level education more than flying experience.

I have also heard from a very good source that a degree is a big bonus when applying for any flying job. But this isn't the place to start another degree requirement argument as I think people are very biased when it comes to deciding whether or not a degree is required.

Similar source we have TolTol perhaps!!!:)

At least somebody agrees with me on that.

Would love to go into the reasoning behind it but its definitly another thread!!!:=

What TolTol said was true, EI loved degrees for their cadets no matter how irrelevant they were. But there won't be cadets this time. That was then and this is now. Back in the good old days with the economy shot, people with degrees coming out of their ears had to emigrate to get a decent job and Aer Lingus seemed an attractive option. Every job was oversubscribed and competitive. Not any more.
I've heard the figure of 100 pilots been required (rumours, rumours). Obviously the ex cadets will get the first preference but after that who knows. One thing for sure there will be no more cadet sponsorship. If anything it will be like the Ryanair/Cityjet idea, they select you and you pay 100k for your training. Most likely though they will be taking rated pilots or turboprop (Aer Arann) pilots and low timers just out of flight school. This is good news for everyone concerned. They will probably take people from other airlines thus opening vacancies for others to fill. In the meantime Aer Arann just bought ten new ATR's and will need more pilots for them and to replace those lost to Lingus, Easy, Ryan et al.
So if you want to fly for EI or anybody, go out and get trained and stop waiting for the mythical cadetships to return.
As for preferential treatment for Irish pilots, certainly I believe they would like Irish pilots simply because and Irish pilot is more likely to stay around for a while once he has bought his pad in Swords or Malahide. That is probably true of most Irish airlines except Ryanair. The same could be said of most airlines in other countries. Others are more likely to move on if a vacancy comes up in their home country or in the 'worlds favourite airline'. But don't imagine being Irish will allow you to meet a lower standard. EI were always fussy, unnecessarily so in my opinion. It remains to be seen as to what they look for. They will get applications simply because it's Aer Lingus, mine being one. But we will have to wait and see.
In practice though, from what I've seen there are simply not enough Irish wannabees coming down the pipe. The combined efforts of the JAA and the IAA have seen to that. So there are opportunities for everyone particularly British willing to make the move across the water. If you are Irish and qualified there has never been a better time to get the airline job in Ireland and I mean never. Every Irish airline seems to be recruiting. If you don't get the job this time you are simply not good enough. Give it up and go back to IT or whatever you did before.:) ;) ;) ;) ;) edited :=

Without intending to spark off a debate here, and I really mean this, do you think they will have any preference to integrated grads from FTE/OAT etc than modular guys with the same 250hrs?

Or would they even consder guys with only 250hrs?

dlav


JAA ATPL - £40,000 TO £70,000
CAA Medical - £300
Type Rating - £20,000
Medical/Life insurance - £500

Modular/Integrated Debates - PRICELESS!!!!! :ok:

Jamesiek i find it very hard to believe that EI like all their recruits to have degrees ! Willie Walsh joined the company at 17yrs old and all he had was a Leaving Cert !

Possibly when Willy Walsh joined, Degree's were not held in as much respect as they are now with EI.

Besides i did not say they were essential, all i am saying is that they will definitely give you an advantage over applicants that do not have a degree. That is from the horses mouth!!

Jamesiek:
they will definitely give you an advantage over applicants that do not have a degree. That is from the horses mouth!!
I don't agree with that, then again I don't talk to farmyard animals:hmm:
You seem to have forgotten that Aer Lingus is not the same airline it was five or ten years ago.

Corsair:
Aer Arann just bought ten new ATR's and will need more pilots for them and to replace those lost to Lingus, Easy, Ryan et al.
From what I understand some of the older ATRs will be phased out so it is not like there are going to be a huge number RHS positions coming up.
And as for
Every Irish airline seems to be recruiting. If you don't get the job this time you are simply not good enough. Give it up and go back to IT or whatever you did before.
Shame on you. That is just plain insulting and devalues the effort and sacrifices that so many wannabes have made and continue to make. This is a forum for people who are trying to better themselves, and isn't the place to make snide, undermining remarks anonymously.
Put the brain in gear before you post next time.
sr

There are a few people on this thread who seem to be posting because they like reading their own drivel in electronic print. Ubfortunately, they neither have the experience or knowledge to justify or give credence to most of what they have to say.

For information on the relevance of degrees to airline employers, check the Archive sticky on 'Wannabes - Pro Pilot Training'. For information on discriminatory employment practices (such as 'preferring Irish pilots') see any lawyer specialising in EU Employment Law.

Scroggs

Ok,

I am not trying to say that a 22 year old straight out of Oxford etc with a degree will get a job ahead of a Captain from eg....Cityjet with 2000+ hours but without a degree. What i am saying (and have in previous posts :ugh: ) is that if 2 low hour cadets with similar flying experience apply for 1 position, then if 1 of the cadets holds a university qualification eg a degree then he is without doubt more likely to get the job! That is the case in any industry! :ok:



Scroggs, many of those surveys regarding what airlines prefer only studied a very select group of companies and were not always specifically adreesed in terms on cadet/low hour applicants ( i do stand to be corrected here, but thats what i gathered from the few i have read!).
Either way, surely if a number of equally qualified pilots apply for the same position, then anything you have which can differentiate you from the bunch is highly beneficial????

Hi all
A degree holder will be given the same amount of consideration as a non-degree holder. All aspects of a potential pilot's education and achievement will be considered.Traditionally, when EI recruited cadets, they wanted them to have very little accumulated flight time.In the last intake of DE pilots, there was every size and shape of educational qualifications.The sim check is where fellas will get weeded out.
regards
TDD:rolleyes:

Relax willya, for goodness sake. It was not meant to be taken that seriously. I should have put in a smilie or two. :ugh: ;) :) I dunno some people, mutter mutter, no sense of humour.:rolleyes:


But I do think there will be at least some RHS in Arann not least because I am quite sure one or two will defect to EI.

Telstar - Suggest you check your facts, 'cause these are wrong;)