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Old 7th May 2006, 22:30
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Aer Lingus trying to recall cadets...

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I have heard from a couple of sources that EI have written to their laid-off cadets of a few years ago, offering them direct-entry F/O seats. Anyone out there with something hard and fast to back this up? be real nice if they opened up again.
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Old 7th May 2006, 23:04
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Cadets

Many have found employment already either with other airlines or simply in different area's of work. Know a few guys myself who went to Cityjet as they have been hiring pretty agressively in Ireland in recent years. So it should be an interesting one to see if they can meet their requirements with just ex-cadets!

Maybe not too long (so i've heard from a source in the company) till the cadet program comes back. We can only hope and pray for wannabe's sake!

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Old 7th May 2006, 23:52
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Hi there
I doubt very much if a pure Cadet scheme ever returns to EI.They might be willing to take on low-timers but ab-initios,nah.Too expensive, too slow and too fussy to administer. Allegedly, they are looking for 55 bods, so wait and see...
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Old 8th May 2006, 09:34
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Cadets

55.....wow, that is a lot! Well, 9 new pilots for every new plane and then retiree's, i suppose. Do they have many order's/deliveries for next year apart from the 2 330's?

Regarding the Cadets, thats exactly what i thought when i heard the rumour too!! But apparently,

1. They are very keen to hire "Irish".
2. If they are taking low hours pilots, they prefer to have an input in their training also as they want only the best and so some type of semi-sponsored cadet scheme does not seem off the cards.

What we may see happening also is that the pilots who went to other airlines may be lured back to Aer Lingus and a lot of space will become available elsewhere but this may be unlikely unless the Aer Lingus offer is very good.
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Old 8th May 2006, 13:53
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That's great news, if they don't come up with a new pay deal for new joiners, because the Aer Lingus package on offer to their current pilots including pension & benefits is supposed to be among the best in Europe.

Good news also that they want predominantly Irish pilots, I've always believed in looking after your own first, something which Irish and British airlines aren't usually very good at. At the risk of sparking this debate again, how many Irish pilots do you find in KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, etc.
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Old 8th May 2006, 15:00
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This is great news, hopefully some of us low timers will get a look in
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Old 8th May 2006, 15:05
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I’m not getting my hopes up. Knowing Aer Lingus they will have meaningless stupid aptitude tests. As if having a fATPL doesn't show that you have enough of an aptitude to be a pilot.
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Old 8th May 2006, 15:07
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All over Europe, unofficial protectionism is the order of the day, so I don't see why Aer Lingus shouldn't indulge in a bit of it.There are plenty of non-Irish in EI already, so it can't be said that they haven't had a fair go at getting in. With regard to terms and conditions, I'd say that new comers would be offered lesser terms than the existing crowd, such as the pension scheme, as it stands now, being closed off to newbies. The existing Ts and Cs are among the best in Europe which is why the present pilots guard it jealously.As far as EI having an input into training, they would do that simply enough by doing the TR in-house.They already have a greatly-underused A320 simulator and I am led to believe that the pilot's union will oppose newbies having to fund their own TR, except only as a deduction from their wages.
Either way, it won't do any harm to tidy up the old CV and get it ready
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Old 8th May 2006, 17:40
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Excellent news and will most certainly keep me eyes open and ears to the ground.


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Old 8th May 2006, 21:30
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We'll have to wait for the takeover aswell. Knowing the Irish govt. they will make a b*lls of it and drag out the proceedings. I heard that they recently recruited from CTC and FTE (although not running courses through them). A partial sponsorhip scheme would be great though, especially if just for Irish wannabes or those who speak the (sh*t) Irish language á la Air France/KLM with French/Dutch! Shouldn't really get my hopes up. BTW, has anyone heard if there are any major expansion plans, or will this have to wait until after the takeover? How many retirements will there be over the next few years?
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Old 8th May 2006, 21:49
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captwannabe a chara,

cad atá cearr leis ár dteanga féin? is teanga an-shiumúil é má tá sé múinte go maith ach bfhéidir go raibh tusa ceann de na buachaillí dána ag caint agus déanamh ríraí agus ruallie buaille sa scoil nuair a bhí tú óg!

bíonn a lán doaine ar fud na tíre ábalta caint as Gaeilge agus tá bród orm a rá go bhfuil mé ceann de na daoine súid.

And by the way any irish speakers out there i apologise in advance for any gramatical errors! I just felt like showing off for once! Anyway continue with the thread...
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Old 8th May 2006, 22:01
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A chara,
Is fuath liom an Ghaeilge! As béarla más é do thoil é.

Haven't a clue what you're on about boy! In my town we speak the Queen's English. Irish is dead - unless Aer Lingus wanted it as a requirement for a sponsorship scheme, in that case tá bród an domhain orm bheith ábalta caint as gaeilge! Scroggs will prob delete the Irish - English language forums. God save the Queen and all that! Enda Kenny for Taoiseach!

Please continue.........Ar aghaidh libh!
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Old 8th May 2006, 23:01
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Sadly, we don't have a Gaelic-language forum, though we have quite a few other languages.

The reason why most non-English language posts get deleted (or moved to an appropriate forum) is that if I can't understand what you say, then I can't moderate it. That could leave PPRuNe wide open to abuse. So, while I appreciate your desire to express yourself in your mother tongue, please don't do it here.

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Old 9th May 2006, 14:14
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Originally Posted by Shamrock 125
captwannabe a chara,
cad atá cearr leis ár dteanga féin? is teanga an-shiumúil é má tá sé múinte go maith ach bfhéidir go raibh tusa ceann de na buachaillí dána ag caint agus déanamh ríraí agus ruallie buaille sa scoil nuair a bhí tú óg!
bíonn a lán doaine ar fud na tíre ábalta caint as Gaeilge agus tá bród orm a rá go bhfuil mé ceann de na daoine súid.
And by the way any irish speakers out there i apologise in advance for any gramatical errors! I just felt like showing off for once! Anyway continue with the thread...
It's alright Scroggs, he's just pointing out that captwannabe might have been "head of the bold boys in school" talking and messing when he was young!
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Old 9th May 2006, 16:25
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Talking

with regards to the possible aerlingus cadet programme, some have said they may want people with 'low' hours. how many hours is counted as 'low'?

also, i like that some decided to add a bit to this forum, as gaeilge! an mhaith ar fad!

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Old 9th May 2006, 21:02
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Yes, the company have written to the cadets asking if they would be willing to return. How many actually return is still up for debate. It's been a while since they were chopped, and by now alot would have settled elsewhere. The number of approx 50 pilots is correct, and that is due to the delivery of the A330's and another A320. I would say this is just the tip of the iceberg over the next few years. At the moment the airline is undercrewed and max duty hours are being reached on a regular basis. Hire-ins are a regular occurrence at the moment, due lack of crew or aircraft.
As regard a cadet scheme, I wouldn't count on that for a while, if any. The company needs pilots now, not tomorrow. It's far cheaper to hire a direct entry pilot (preferably type rated) rather than wait 18 months to get a cadet on line. As regard 'unofficial protectionism' , or being keen to hire Irish - er don't think so. Being Irish doesn't make you any better at the job or any more committed to Aer Lingus. They will want people who are competent and able to fit in.
Any new comer's will be on the same T & C's. Despite the company stating in the press recently, that all new entrants (not just pilots) will be on a defined contribution scheme. Mr Mannion has been told quite blunty that the pilots will walk the walk around the airport if he tries that stunt with the pilots. Unlike BALPA, IALPA has the forsight to realise the stupidity of caving in on the pension issue. By looking after new entrants, IALPA is ensuring that it remains one of the best.
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Old 9th May 2006, 21:16
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so how many hours , is 'low hour pilots'????????????????????
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Old 9th May 2006, 21:19
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Notice to EI pilots from CEO

NOTICE TO PILOTS FROM CEO


Notice to Pilots from the CEO Notice to Pilots from the CEO
Notice to Pilots from the CEO
Rehire of former Cadet Pilots

As you are aware we have committed to the purchase of two additional A330 aircraft, which are due for delivery in 2007. In addition we are in the process of sourcing two more A320 aircraft. In the past number of weeks a comprehensive plan has been developed to address the training and resource requirements, and pilot numbers will be increasing in line with the growing fleet.
I am pleased to announce that we are now in a position to honour the commitment made to the former cadets in 2001. It is hoped that many will take up their positions with Aer Lingus in the coming months.
The Company will be initiating contact with this group starting today and training is scheduled to commence from July.
I am sure you will agree that this is a very positive development for Aer Lingus and we can look forward to welcoming the former cadets on to the line, as we work together to meet the exciting opportunities that lie ahead.



Dermot Mannion

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Old 9th May 2006, 22:16
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Thanks for keeping the ole post there scroggs and as was said there was nothing malicious on it. you'd be surprised how many irish folk can speak their native tongue at least to a comprehendible level. an irish language forum would be welcome although i fear it would be under used.

As for the cadet programme. I do wish they would bring it back although i feel my eyes aren't up to scratch. its not going to stop me trying after my engineering degree though. until im told to sod off i'll keep trying.
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Old 9th May 2006, 22:33
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Hi all
Talking to some of the current jockeys today, one stated that he had been in contact with some of the ex-cadets and a rough reckoning of thirty or so out of the fifty-odd were willing to at least apply to come back.Just leave room for me, that's all I ask!
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