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pmct 28th Nov 2018 06:59


Originally Posted by tpflyer (Post 10322084)
Anyone starting CP205/EZMP35 in Coventry on the 4th December?

(Long time lurker, first time poster)

Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?

tpflyer 1st Dec 2018 23:40


Originally Posted by pmct (Post 10322379)


(Long time lurker, first time poster)

Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?

​​​​​​Hi pmct,
I believe I was part of the previous intake. Applied around April time and got accepted onto route 1 in late May. Think we were the last interview group of the 2017 programme. Best of luck if you're waiting to hear back!

basilbrush12 3rd Dec 2018 08:42

No visible end to delays, further delays for cadets in New Zealand and BOH, as well as groundschool cadets across the board. Many delays as long as 6 months, with the potential for further delays. L3's current line of excuses sound very familiar, not enough instructors and PFA didn't take as many cadets as initially agreed. The bottle neck is at the IR phase, BOH is full of RAF and PFA can't take enough; although they claim to be searching for more places to outsource training. So yes, this mainly impacts whitetail cadets, airline tagged cadets won't suffer quite as bad- they tend to get a push through the system.

Think very carefully before choosing this ATO... You could be there quite some time.

basilbrush12 4th Dec 2018 19:51


Originally Posted by Harveyhickss (Post 10327117)
I was just wondering where you got this information? Are you a cadet at L3? Quite curious as I'm supposed to be starting in around 6 weeks time and would like to know what I'm in for....

harveyhickss I am a cadet at L3

News spreads quite fast around most cadets. Most would give a similar story.

BaronVonBarnstormer 4th Dec 2018 22:48


Originally Posted by basilbrush12 (Post 10327936)


harveyhickss I am a cadet at L3

News spreads quite fast around most cadets. Most would give a similar story.

Yep delays are affecting MPL and ATPL students alike, untagged seems to have it worse but airline tagged cadets have big gaps in their training timeline too.

I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?

tecnamflyer 4th Dec 2018 22:59


Originally Posted by BaronVonBarnstormer (Post 10328065)
Yep delays are affecting MPL and ATPL students alike, untagged seems to have it worse but airline tagged cadets have big gaps in their training timeline too.

I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?

BAA are saying "hold my beer"

Alex Whittingham 5th Dec 2018 12:44


I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
Not in the modular world, although bookings at some CPL/IR schools now extend into summer 2019 but training is taking place when booked, there's no cascade effect.

David.98 23rd Dec 2018 16:46

Hi, Ive been accepted onto an easyJet MPL but I’ve been told to transfer my EASA class 1 to an Austrian class 1. Anyone already done this/got any advice?

SAPEG3T 23rd Dec 2018 21:49

David, all easyJet pilots from 1st Jan 2019 will be moving onto the Austrian license. They are just transitioning you in line with this move. If it is anything like the IAA transferral, it is 2 forms to complete: One for the CAA and one for Austro Control.

Dct_Mopas 23rd Dec 2018 22:19


Originally Posted by SAPEG3T (Post 10343280)
David, all easyJet pilots from 1st Jan 2019 will be moving onto the Austrian license. They are just transitioning you in line with this move. If it is anything like the IAA transferral, it is 2 forms to complete: One for the CAA and one for Austro Control.

Nope, incorrect.

All easyJet Europe employee’s are moving to an Austrian licence. All easyJet UK employee’s stay with the UK issued EASA licence.

I presume the request is more for the L3 course being an EASA MPL course, so will be easier for continuity to do the whole process with a European country. Therefore can receive an EASA MPL, which can be converted in the future if needed.

gbotley 23rd Dec 2018 22:56

All new entrants to easyJet irrespective of base whom commence an induction post March 2019 will be required to hold an Austrian issued licence. This isn’t an L3 requirement at all, it’s actually asked of by the airline - given it be written on their orange letterhead (in my case).

Any existing U.K. based employees or any new and UK based employees starting work, but not training, before March can retain the UK CAA papers. A trainee starting their course soon would finish after March 2019 and thus require Austrian papers.

@David.98 - i’d ask the individual or organisation that’s asked you to do this for guidance. As others have said, a medical state of issue is just a paper or two to adjust.

Hope this helps.

David.98 24th Dec 2018 19:43

I have emailed L3 asking them as well but being Christmas it’ll probably take a few days for them to reply. Appreciate the help. ��

David.98 24th Dec 2018 20:51


Originally Posted by Harveyhickss (Post 10342399)
Anyone part of CP209, Coventry, 29/01/19? Looking to start a Facebook group if anyone's interested?

I’m on this course (EZMP37/CP209) starting 29/01/19 in Coventry. I’ve tried to pm you but because my account is new it won’t let me use messages on here. What’ve you called the Facebook group so I can look for it

EGPF 6th Jan 2019 21:26

Hello,

I'm on CP210 intake, anyone gonna meet me in the bar?

Feel free to PM me.

I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.

basilbrush12 8th Jan 2019 10:00


Originally Posted by EGPF (Post 10353737)
Hello,

I'm on CP210 intake, anyone gonna meet me in the bar?

Feel free to PM me.

I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.

They said similar when they took the RAF contract... look how that worked out.

KWest19 6th Feb 2019 11:07

CP210
 
Hello,

Im on CP210 too! Gimme a shout if not I’ll see you next week



Originally Posted by EGPF (Post 10353737)
Hello,

I'm on CP210 intake, anyone gonna meet me in the bar?

Feel free to PM me.

I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.


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Tobias0501 6th Feb 2019 14:53

Looking at applying for L3 Acadamey ATPL Course
 
Hello everyone,

New member here! Apologies if I've posted this in the incorrect space, i'm still getting to grips with the forum. I have dreamt of being a pilot from a very young age, and have done a couple of small flights in light aircraft recently and am now hooked.

I'm looking at applying for the L3 Academy for 2020 (I believe 2019 has already closed as couldn't find this on their website?) I had a few questions regarding transition from academy to job, and also funding.

I have looked around, but the only kind of funding I can find is Pegasus personal loans, but these need to be secured against property, which at 23 I do not own. I don't really have anything to go towards it currently, as I don't have a high salary. So i'd be looking to borrow the full £96,800 they quote for training. They also require the loan to be paid back from a month after taking the loan out, which I cannot understand how anyone would be able to as in training you're not earning? Does anyone of alternative funding available? Unfortunately my parents aren't a possibility for loaning the money to me, which is another recommendation I saw.

Secondly on completion of all training, how easy was it to get a job? L3 state they have a team dedicatd to getting you employed almost straight out of graduation?

Thanks,

Tobias

BaronVonBarnstormer 7th Feb 2019 04:06

You need to look at the current situation at L3. Inform yourself of the current issues there and make a balanced decision. There are a lot of threads on this forum that have more information: https://www.pprune.org/professional-...-shortage.html

Tobias0501 7th Feb 2019 08:56

Seems to me the more i’ve read about L3, the worse they become. Seems that when they were originally CTC they were a tonne better. If i’m honest i’m still unsure I can afford to do it, even though it’s been my dream for years.

Training costs at £110,000 for the MPL license, without cost of food and travel just seems unobtainable for someone like me. It’s okay for people that have money that can afford it, but not all of us are as blessed. And loans compaines for pilots licensing require you to start paying back a month after you take the loan out with no payment holiday, so finding the money every month, on top of full time learning is virtually impossible.

I can’t understand why airlines aren’t offering to cover costs, and deducting from wages once you’re working full time. I know Aer Lingus did in 2018 for 10 Cadets and I bet they were people similar in position to me.

LlamaFarmer 7th Feb 2019 15:20


Originally Posted by Tobias0501 (Post 10382744)
I can’t understand why airlines aren’t offering to cover costs, and deducting from wages once you’re working full time.

Because, presently, they don't need to. There is a big enough supply of pilots paying their own way up front.


Originally Posted by Tobias0501 (Post 10382744)
I know Aer Lingus did in 2018 for 10 Cadets and I bet they were people similar in position to me.

I believe Aer Lingus opened it up again. I also believe MANY MANY cadets/FOs leave Aer Lingus at the first opportunity.

Tobias0501 7th Feb 2019 15:36


Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer (Post 10383184)
Because, presently, they don't need to. There is a big enough supply of pilots paying their own way up front.



I believe Aer Lingus opened it up again. I also believe MANY MANY cadets/FOs leave Aer Lingus at the first opportunity.

I understand in a way, why not! Just frustrating coming from somewhere thats not going to be even a fraction of the cost to complete it. The way I suggest means they still get the money back, just investing in the pilot first. I wouldn’t even mind if they added 10% on top as a charge to complete the training on a fully funded basis, requiring payback on commencement of working.

I haven’t seen much negative things about Aer lingus, but then again, i’m not in the industry so not 100% on who’s best to go for. But if i’m honest, anyone that would fund training i’d be interested in, as the oppertunity for someone like me would be too great to miss out on!


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