steveoneil,

Look at the thread in " interviews, jobs and sponsorships " section. All your questions answered there. But basically the 60,000 pounds + for training is covered by an unsecured loan from HSBC, which providing you pass Ctc selection, is made available to you, signed in your name.

All this info is available on the Ctc website as well r.e. financing, i suggest you read it before turning up at stage 2, you need to know what you are getting yourself into.

WBV

NEWSFLASH - CTC is not Integrated?
 

Interesting snippet of info from a current CTC-er that states:

"We were recently given a speech by the head of training out here and it seems that after all the confusion and hoo-ha I found out that my CP course is not integrated, but part of the original modular syllabus. What difference this will make to my destination airline is probably quite minimal, as I still thing CTC is still the best training organisation in terms of getting a job afterwards. Its all been really frustrating as nobody seemed to understand what was going on out here, including the NZ staff, but at least now its all been sorted and confirmed as modular. At the end of the day, I still wanted to undertake my flying training with CTC and the whole integrated course was really just a bonus."

This guy's blog is http://flyingtraining.*************/ and he's been out there since Xmas 2006.

Now, if I remember correctly, CTC were marketing the course as integrated, yet apparently it isn't.

Would anyone with experience care to comment? What are the implications for trainees i.e. I hear that some airlines do not take pilots from modular courses (partner airlines not incuded) so could a CTC trainee be disadvantaged later in their career? etc...

Well if I remember, BA used to not take modular although I stand corrected. As you know BA is now a customer of CTC taking Wings Cadets so there is absolutely no serious difference at all here regarding modular vs integrated at all.

I read somewhere that it was modular due to a technicality... I *think* because they use bristol ground school. But something has changed recently and it's now technically integrated.

The BA position is what I understood.

BA, however, do not appear to me to be the same status of partner airline. The way I interpreted the BA relationship was this:

BA acknowledge that CTC cadets are a resource to be considered for BA recruitment purposes. A CTC cadet is subject to the BA recruitment process e.g. the fully assessment that any applicant goes through. This suggests that CTC training confers no benefit when it comes to BA recruitment.

If BA's policy is to recruit students of the integrated route only, perhaps they will cease to be considered a "partner" airline.

Compare BA to, say, Easyjet who apparently do not put cadets through their own specific selection process (if you consider 6 months line experience not to be a selection process).

There's a marked difference here, which is why I don't think BA are the same kind of "partner".

pplstudent - check the blog. This guy was told "modular" some time between Feb 19 and March 11. I had heard (prob from here) that CTC went integrated sometime before Feb.

From an "eyes open" perspective, I think it's important to turly understand the position here.

Any input from past or present CTC-ers would be appreciated, otherwise this is pure conjecture and of extremely limited value.

BA is a standard partner of CTC but they just happen to have a company policy of placing the CTC cadet under the standard interview process before going online with them. All it means if I understand this correctly is that if you as a cadet are ear-marked for BA then you must then just go through the BA interview process just so BA are sure they like you. I stand corrected. Best person to ask would be one of the chaps from CTC19 who is with BA.

My understanding: CTC has been modular up untill now, apparently the CAA may be allowing CTC to sell their course as Intergrated with in the next few days/weeks. I think this applies to courses cp46 47, and almost definately applied to cp48 onwards.
Intergrated or not; it wont affect your employability after CTC- you will still be employed by their partner airlines

I've just been reading about the Thomas Cook/Mytravel merger. Does anyone know what this will mean in terms of being selected. Is there now one less partner airline or will they continue to recruit seperatly?

I was at CTC phase two yesterday in Bournemouth, and the staff there stressed heavily that the course was integrated and not modular. Whether this is just for courses starting in the near future, has already been enacted or has been the case for some time I don't know, but if you are currently going through the application process and have yet to start you are likely to be going into an integrated course rather than a modular one.

[Edit] At what point do you need to have your Class 1 secured in the application process? Do CTC expect it before stage 3?

Diabhal,

Medical only needs to be done once CTC have made you a conditional offer following a successful stage 4. The medical doesn't come cheap - so CTC deserve a pat on the back for not requesting applicants have the medical as an initial requirement (i.e. before stage 2) like other training organisations.

There is nothing stopping you doing it at any point however.

FA

BA do take modular trained guys, but only those with previous airline experience before applying i.e not straight out of flight training wth a cpl/ir.

Being modular trained is no barrier to BA but it won't be the first job you'll get.

WBV

WBV - thanks for the input, interesting to know.

Just to point out BA have in the past taken a cadet from CTC straight out of training and the route for that guy was modular

make of that what you will

In ref to Thrilseekers post, to make myself clear, i was referring to other lines of training in the main. If you've been through CTC then even though you are technically modular trained BA won't look at you any differently from an integrated student.

WBV

CTC Stage 3 28/03/07
 

Hi

Did anyone have their stage 3 with CTC yesterday in bournemouth? Jus like to know how people got on?

Ziyad

Ez Ziyad mate it's Rory. Still no word my end from them....just want to know the biz asap! Hope your interview went well and good luck!

Good luck to everyone else that was there yesterday by the way....proper sound bunch of lads.

stage 4
 

that was awesome! just had the privelege of flying with no other than Chris Clarke in the cockpit of the new 737 simulator at nursling ... The fixed projection was double booked so we got to use the newer one (altho motion was turned off :hmm: ) and i most certainly didnt expect the captain of ctc to be taking the assesment!!) Got to do a takeoff, circuits and a landing... which was ace ... think i did alright although i wont know until i get the phone call either way.. great fun nevertheless!!!!

fingers crossed!

CTC Stage 3 28/03/07
 

Alright Rory,

Jus found out i got thru, am pretty goddamn relieved, been bricking it all morning! Got my stage 4 on April 19th. Good luck to the rest of the lads who were there yesterday, let me know when your stage 4 is if you get thru which hopefully u all did.

Ziyad

Sounds like you had fun Alex, Good luck mate, fingers crossed for u!

yeh cheers rich.... aparently i find out today so at least the wait isnt as painful as phase 3!!

You're telling me Alex..any more of this waiting malarkey they'll need to send for the white-coat brigade!

Ah! The suspense of waiting for our stage 4 result is killing me! I am trying not to over analyse my performance but its difficult. This morning was a real privilege though. Thanks CTC!

Ah! The suspense of waiting for our stage 4 result is killing me! I am trying not to over analyse my performance but its difficult. This morning was a real privilege though. Thanks CTC!

28/03/07
 

Just got the email, stage 4 here I come!! When are you doing it Ziyad? I'm on for 19th april at 1200. Effin' sweeeeeeeeet!

Nice one mate!

I just got told to get to nursling at 0800 on 19th so i guess ill be seeing u there! pretty sweet getting thru isnt it? were u told to get there at 12 then?

u 2 got ppls? or nothing in way of experience??

Mate, it's such a relief, especially considering it was second time around for both of us, must have been the sneaky game of pool and a bit of Neighbours banter which put us at ease! Proper buzzing, although there's still one more hurdle to jump over, should be all good tho. I hope some of the other guys got through, reckon it was a pretty strong bunch of candidates. They said get there for 12 for a 1pm start yeah.

@Newbie..I've got just the 6 hours of flying but I believe Ziyad has a PPL.

phase 4 is class guys.. best of luck .... i got my phone call this evening.. im offski on the 31st of may by the looks of things.

Im due to go out to NZ soon, and at the meet and greet they mention groundschool is done by CBT on there computers. Do you still get the manuals and CD rom from bristol? I would rather do most of my studying in my room in peace, and also i prefer manuals to cd rom.

Thanks

my mate who's just got his atpl results back (98.5% ave!) had a huge folder to revise from... so i guess yes u do.. he told me its all about past papers.

Ziyad13, Mixmaster and Alexjolly et al, no offence lads/girls, but there is a perfectly good thread to be found here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=252747

that is specifically for those "did you/didn't you pass", "when are you going here/there" comments etc. It becomes very tedious reading through all of this to find some genuine questions to answer. It took some persuasion to get the thread opened in the first place, so let’s use it eh?

Spam Can,

ATPLs are done using Bristol Ground School through a computer program called Tracker. It can be accessed from all the cadets' rooms and from any of the briefing/learning rooms at the airport. You will also be given several folders that contain exactly the same information (in case you can learn better the old fashion way). Hope this helps

Pre3


Alex Jolly,

Congratulations mate, it’s not an easy selection. Be seeing you out here soon (that should probably be in the social thread?)

Wow Pre3jhmt, you certainly seem well clued up about how all these ATPL's work. It sounds like you're very experienced in the ATPL studies and certainly work very hard to get through them. :hmm:

I said it "can" be accessed, not that I ever actually accessed it!!

bristol.g.s. text books
 

Hi guys and gals

I was just wondering how long it tends to take for CTC to get in contact with you after Phase 2 to offer you Phase 3 dates? Just passed phase 2 yesterday with a top bunch of guys and from the sounds of it, a fair few of us made the cut and we are all anxious as to how long we are going to have to wait!

Also, I have trawled this and the previous thread and have some great info on phase 3, but anyone who wants to add some sound advice, interview questions you were asked or any further advice about the team exercises, please do as I'm sure there are a number of us out there who would be very very grateful!

Regards

PAJ

I didnt even get home when i recieved the phone call to say i passed i was invited for phase 3 a week later!!!!!!!!!!

PAJ,

As others have said on here, it's pointless working on specific "CTC" questions. Competency based questions are the norm for most job interviews and are straightforward to prepare for, as they are all about you. The industry and flying aspects are covered in people's previous posts.

There's a lot of questions CTC could ask you, and they apparently keep their eye on here, so anything posted would probably end up not being asked, and your efforts to prepare for such questions may ultimately be wasted.

Focus on building a rounded awareness of the major issues in the industry within Europe, now and over the last few years, the partner airlines and general flying stuff. You probably won't know everything, but they don't expect you to. If you have a decent level of familiarity, you can reason over questions you don't know outright.

Critical of course to be prepared for and know how to handle competency based questions. You need to communicate who you are, what your achievements have been and how you went about achieving them in the short amount of time allocated to your interview.

What I have just explained is essentially what CTC told us to do at stage 2 in preparation for stage 3. Trust me, it's true.

Best of luck.

Hello,

I tried applying to CTC online and had trouble with the University part. You weren't allowed to put a predicted grade, or leave it blank, and I haven't finished my final year yet. What do I do? Do I have to wait till i've finished?

Cheers

Ginger ;)