how many have found a job?
 

when reading posts on pprune , I can see that not so many wanabees have found a job.

on 200 posts I have read, there is no post saying" I have found a job" or something like that...

it is always" where are the jobs?", "where buy a type/rating?", "then what?","am I too old?"

I see you with the "I know a guy who did this and that and he got a job after doing this and that and now flies a B987 or a A375" bla bla bla...

By chance I know lot of guys too , who have given up simply because they 've runed out of cash! and I am not going to lie to you:we are screwed!

my conclusion is: no cash=no job...

I knew something was missing from PPRUNE over the last few weeks. Welcome back A320 Rider. Your usless inputs, constant drivel and inane babel may annoy people in most places, but here you're tollerated as , I for one, see you as a source of amusement.
Keep up the ammusing threads
:ugh:

Sorry but I happen to quite agree with A320rider.

I think this forum tends to paint a negative picture of how hard it actually is to get a job?????

I'm new to this and am just thinking about launching myself into an aviation career at the age of 30 but some of the stuff i hear on here makes me consider otherwise.

i have a couple of meets lined up with friends of friends who are both pilots with airlines. I'm hoping they will paint me the real picture.

As A320 said I have hardly heard of anyone saying they have landed a job.

It just seems that everyone is very frustrated!

It also seems that when people start talking about OAT, Cabair etc a select few seem to get very negative - could that be because they are envious of those that are lucky enough to go to these schools? - if so then they should just come out and say it!

fATPL finished in Jan 2006....now a Ryanair Cadet... TR course starts on 5th of June! I'm happy :\

Balhambob,

I just gotta reply,

I travelled the length and breadth of the country including a two day visit to Jerez before deciding on where to train and in the end, it was the school just down the road. I do not feel I am 'not lucky' because I didn’t go to Oxford or Jerez!!

Come on! I can tell you I started my crappy little office job today (that’s frustrating) while I apply to a select few airlines in the vain hope that with persistence, talking to established people and friends I will get a break. I have friends on the CTC scheme, friends straight out of school into Eastern and even Thomsonfly, they didn’t train at Oxford, or Cabair, or Jerez. Plan B is the traditional route becoming an FI and that’s something I would like to do anyway.

I don’t get wound up that I didn’t go to these schools but I do get wound up about people talking in a way that implies if you didn’t go there, your some kind of second class pilot. I cant be the only one tired of this?
See what ya did? :}

All jesting aside, if you are new to this don’t get sucked into to thinking there are only three schools to train at. There are many, very good, smaller schools turning out just as good pilots and costing less. Don’t write them off.
All the best if you do decide to go for it.

Buster

:ok:

good for you olof, all I see you are one more pilot to open his wallet and crash more money .I guess this is all you got: ryanair!

this market became totally crazy with crooks all over the world who laugh at us.
Last time I have heared in a office, 2 executive managers saying that they wont need to pay us, because some monkeys are too stupid to pay them to work...
all both left their office , still laughing loudly,and guess what they were driving? mercedes!

the next day I step up in the office manager, and I share my thought about work to pay' scheme, and social system,I told him it was not right...he told me as long people pay them to work, why to change...

Morality: you make this market, bad or good, if you have to blame somebody, blame yourself but not me, because I have warned you...

about Oxford school? I would like to know how many student from Oxford have still no job(90%), and no money left to buy a type rating.I would suggest to check for a flying job before to start a training.

A320 you talk out of your arse, I have just got a job at 44 and I'm not going to start explaining how either, if you don't like how the system works buddy go find another job.

Edited to add, I hate trolls and would not usually bite BUT this fellas a knob.

Ronchonner's back again then??? :hmm:

a320


of my oxford course, 90% of us have jobs.

d2k

You don't see lots of posts about people getting jobs because most use this forum to gain info on basic training and who is recruiting, what to expect in the interview/sim check and then disappear once they have a job never to be heard of again.

I only come back here to see how A320 is getting on:E

Finished modular training end of Jan this year. Start type-rating on Monday on a jet :ok:
I have not spent any money on finding a job since paying for my MCC, save for travelling expenses to the interview and subsequent sim assessment :)

Finished modular training in September 2005. Just got my first job, not saying where just yet. FO turboprop.

It WILL happen, normally when you least expect it!

54.98N

A320 and other sceptics, these forums are for people training for and trying to obtain employment. The minute they get employment, they're off and the vast majority never return - if they stay with Pprune, they go and play in the vast number of forums which most of you guys don't dare to visit.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that around 90% or more of all fATPL graduates are getting aviation employment at the moment. Those are pretty good odds.

Scroggs

Started training Feb 04, Modular, aged 33
Finished MCC course July 05
CTC Wings ATP scheme Jan 06
RHS A319 May 06


Cheers,

FT

Re:Scroggs comment
 

As Scroggs has said, its quite true, how many of you in all honestly will still come on pprune when you've landed a job flying a shiny jet..???...0...

Re:Turkish coment
 

I think I still come on to tell truth as I make some fiends on here and fans of me...

Poor sod me went to Essex to see air show last week and some bloody essex thug punch me..Not nice place or peoples there...his girl fancy me I think (me in uniform haha) he gets jealous so he tell me F**k of to Spain you Spanish C**t..I tell him be warned I do Karate!! I did kata in front of him to show im dangerous!! then he throw his beer at me and punch me on my poor head...and I get knock over and land on pot noodle stand...people all laughing...police dont care...horrible place...me is the poor sod try to help with advice to people on the plane!!

:{

completed frozen ATPL mid May first application I filled in was thomsonfly thought it would be a waste of time! But no, 3 weeks later i got a reply. I have been called to stage one selection. Shame I am going to fail the number and verbal reasoning:ugh: But will be good experiance for the future so I know what to expect! Have not applied anywhere else yet, I have got some company creating my CV to try and make it look good, Wish they would hurry up so I can start geting it out there and see how hard it really is to get selected for interview

A340rider.

Broken record.... Lame......Wannabee A320rider.........:hmm:

Whats the difference between A340rider and an Essex girl?
A340 knocks over the pot noodles when he comes [to england].

P.S. People who know karate and are "dangerous" dont get the sh$t kicked out of them.

after a good 12months of sending out CVs (literally, 40 a month), I gave up and started a flying instructor rating of which I should have done 12months ago.

Currently 23yrs old and instructing to build hours in hope for a shiny jet job asap!

:)

PS: test soon for anyone that knows me!!!

I finished fATPL early April, and I've been accepted onto the CTC ATP scheme. At the moment recruitment seems to be hot.

Problem is, is that people like Mr A320rider believe that obtaining an fATPL automatically guarantees them a job....But it's the same as any other profession, if you you're a tit you won't be employed!

Reading your previous post Mr A320, although they're funny, displays an attitude not suitable for employment by an airline (in my humble opinion).

It's sad to say but some people will never get a job. Could you sit for 8 hours in cockpit with the likes of A320/A340rider?

I couldn't...

Recruitment sure is hot right now.....but how long is it going to last?

I want to get in ASAP to get some hours up before any downturn!

Hi there.

Well you have to get out of your chairs in order to land yourself a job.

I did a Type rating on the B737 which turned out to be a bad idea, as there were no jobs for inexperienced 737 pilots, however this is most likely to change in the near future, i think.

When I couldn’t find myself a pilots job, I started working on the ground as a Ramp Agent with DHL, which was great fun, and a very educational experience. In addition to that I found myself a job as a phone salesman for a Ariel photography company during the winter months.

I also made an arrangement with my former flight school ,who is also operating light twins to a few small islands in Denmark, to fly along as a PNF.

And after I had flown a few times, I was offered a job in the administration and as pilot on demand. With the prospect of becoming a pilot on their island hobs.

However this never happened as I just have been offered a position on the B757.
And in addition to that, the Ariel company called me the other day offering me a job as pilot on a C172…

So it is possible, if you do something about it. Sending out tons of CV is not the right way to do it. I have been down that road as well…

Let me tell you about a few of my friends...
One guy flew as fire patrol in Norway, when he wasn't at work at SAS' check-in desks in Oslo. After he had gained approx 60-70 hours on the C172, he managed to get contact with a small Swedish company, and after he had called them several times talking about nothing in particular, he was invited for an interview. Now he is flying Navajo's and Chieftain, and will most likely be flying Metro as well…

Another friend of mine managed to get contact to a small airline company in the Far East; he is now flying as F/O on an A319. Everything was paid by the company.. He started out as Dispatcher in CPH and managed to find some very useful contacts.

And another friend of mine, started out cleaning etc a BE200 King Air, now he is flying it as a F/O... All the above examples has happened recently..

However it has been difficult to move from piston or even turbo-prob job, to a jet job during the past few years, but let’s hope that this will change too.

Good luck ;o) It is not impossible...

A320 Rider

I gotta job, on your namesake, cheers.

No bond, no TR costs, no nothin, moneys mine. Oh and the ATPL cost me under 6 grand.

See you down trip (actually hopefully not)

GO RONCHONNER!!!!!

GREAT TO SEE YOU BACK IN BUSINESS MY FRIEND. YOU MAKE AN OTHERWISE DRY FORUM MUCH MORE INTERESTING...

LOST

Completed my f-atpl last October and not a sniff of an interview so far. I'm trying to go down the work at the airport and meet contacts route, so we shall see what happens. It is frustrating, as many of the people from the same flight school as me have secured jobs etc I simply do not know what I have done wrong :ugh: However, got to keep going and stick at it, it will be worth it in the end :)

Good luck to all :ok:

JAS

:confused:

I not sure A320 deserves this much abuse for his post....

Not a sniff of a job either.....
Just got told once or twice my CV "looked interesting", but there were no vacancies at that time..... I suppose that at least, I got a reply....(which seems not to be the case usually)!
Very difficult to keep the faith!
FNav ;)

goal
 

if you don't acheive your goal , you don't want it bad enough

yes the aviation industry is not a walk in the park- its rewarding not easy

luckily the recruiters don't take people like A320 rider

That feeling won't last long with that lot: enjoy it!

Started to fly light twins first ( duchess then chieftain ), built up my hours to 1500+ hours ( 800 in the multi ) then went back to instructing then turbine job while finishing my ATPL.
My office now is the right seat of the 734. Going to NG in the next few months. However, I might stay with the 734 if I make captain soon.

Cheers

D6

- frozen ATPL 240 hours
- finished modular in 12/2004
- 800 applications around the world...
- Type rating B 737 in february 2006
Got a job a month ago, in europe thank to my TRTO (the FSB) which more or less placed me.

It is so hard to get this first job... really so hard, even with a Masters degree and fluency in 3 european languages... Good luck to all of you.

350 hours, f-atpl, mcc..got hired as f/o on the L-410 turbolet.
Never had to pay for type rating, uniform or absinth for the chief pilot.
:ok:

Hi I've never posted before, but felt the need on this one.

I went the instructing route, and it worked !
So the way i see it.......
The more hours and/or experience uget the better. As when people first qualify, no matter where you trained, we all get handed the same piece of paper!

The only difference after that initial issue is what else else you can bring to the party. I've known peolple work in ops, as dispatchers, baggage handling, you name it. But they all have one thing in common, they stayed close to the industry they invested in, made friends(Some enemies!!lol) and contacts. All the time building experience of the industry, be it flying/instructing or just knowing how it all slots together.

I agree this is not viable for everyone, but it does work.

For some it will take longer than for others, but i do really believe that there is something out there for everyone.

I wish you all well, and believe it or not it gets easier, i didn't even have to apply for my last job.

Jester

well, where do i begin? just joined, so reading through some of the replies in these rooms and it seems i'm entering into a career path that doesnt sound that promising. ive been flying since i was 14 so hope i started early enough but am desperate to fly for BA, am i aiming to high lol?!?:confused:

BA
 

My ATPL course finished about a month ago with about 20 guys on it. So far 4 people have passed BA sim checks and are waiting to start a JOC course with them, One guy is just about to go down for a BA sim check and one guy has just passed an interview with Loganair and has been offered a job. So that's 5 (potentially 6) guys out of 20 who have jobs within a month of finishing a course.

I'm not saying it's easy, or everyone gets a job straight away. But if you work hard, you should be able to achieve what you want. From my (limited) experience so far, it seems that the people that do well in this industry tend to be easy to get on with, take their job seriously and most of all, don’t spend all their time complaining about what they feel are the hundreds of injustices that have prevented them from reaching their goal.

Too high? Desperate to fly for BA? Have you done any research...?

DA DEP Selection - the lowdown

BA Shorthaul Lifestyle

BA Pilots 'Prepared to Strike'

Pilot Shortage At BA?

There's lots more...

Scroggs

some of you have found a job.good for you.recruitment will not last forever...2 months, 6 months?

but how many are still looking? thousand!
this market train thousand pilots every year (5000-10000 pilot for europe) for ONLY 500 open positions in europe.

so 5 on 100 pilots will find a job when 95 pilots will struggle.


keep dreaming, when banks will take your house, you will wake up!:{

What really worries me is the general tone of this post

Ok it was started by someone who enjoys storring things up. But the replies all kinda seem to have taken the same tone.

You all need to remember that with a commercial licence you are entitled to be paid for your flying.

Last time i looked, Glider towing, Aerial photography, Para dropping and Instructing are all commercial jobs.
Just because some people might be getting jobs now, dont count on the fact that it will be this way for any length of time.

....Fly commercially - the hours all add up and its what your licence allows you to do. Dont try and jump the queue by paying for a type rating :E

Securing that first job
 

Hi can anyone tell me please whether its true that some qualified pilots have never secured their first airline job ever because if that is true this is deeply worrying after all the hard work and money invested into training and your life long ambition has not been met, and what is the average time that you secure your first job with an airline, thanks.

Yes, it is true. The proportion of wannabes failing to find a professional flying job is smaller than it was, but is still significant. Probably in the order of 10 - 20% of those that complete an fATPL will never fly an aeroplane as a professional pilot.

That's considerably better than it used to be...

Scroggs