maybe,

The apptitude tests are flying related, hand/eye co-ord, memorising radio/alt/speed/heading etc, spatial awareness. The maths questions are put into an aviation context, but are basically just your normal mental arithmetic questions. (you do get a pencil and paper, so dont worry!)

As regards the heels/flats issue, there is a part where you need to use your feet on rudder pedals. The CTC guys suggested to the girls present that they took off their shoes.

It's been said a million times before, but try and be chilled and relax. It's the best way to perform to your maximum potential!
Good luck!
M330

MonarchA330,

Thanks for your reply... when you say the aptitude tests are flying related, do they require flying knowledge? I have no flying experience so if they are based on knowing how to fly a plane, or knowing about instruments etc, then I don't stand a chance!!

maybe,
check your Private messages.
M330

maybe,

Not meaning to sound too harsh but maybe getting some background knowledge on your chosen career might be a good idea? If you're passionate about wanting to be a pilot, I'd have thought you'd know SOMETHING about how aircraft fly etc. !?

It's safe to say that the CTC people will probe you about your knowledge of all sorts of things related to flying inc. the airline industry, basic flying stuff, etc. if you'e lucky enough to get through.

Good luck,

V1R

Maybe,

So you have applied to become an airline pilot and accept a debt of £60,000 - and you seem to know virtually nothing about it or even know if you'll enjoy it!

Go to your local flying club and have a trial lesson. You'll learn two things:-

1) Do you still want to be a pilot?

2) You will now have at least some idea of how an aircraft is controlled and what the instruments are.

It amazes me just how many wannabee pilots have never had a single flying lesson.

I *have* had a trial lesson thank you!

This made me decide that I definitely wanted to learn to fly, I'm just not sure if I want to make a career out of it.

From having one trial lesson, yes I know vaguely how the controls work, but I don't have enough knowledge to answer questions or do tests on the subject.

Apologies, maybe, but you did say you had "no" flying experience.

I did, sorry if it was unclear, but I would hardly consider a trial lesson to be "flying experience" !! I was focusing more on looking at the landscape than the controls and instruments :rolleyes:

Stage 2
 

Maybe,

I had my Stage 2 back in September and there are NO use of pedals, just a joystick. CTC-McAlpine's selection process did use a joystick AND rudder pedals but the new CTC Wings Scheme does not, unless they have introduced them VERY recently, which I doubt.
(Monarch, did you go through the system a while back or recently?)

Aptitude tests can be found at www.pilapt.com. You can't take the tests but there are screenshots which allow you to get an idea of what to expect.
You don't need to have seen the inside of an aircraft to take and pass these tests. They assess your hand-eye coordination skills, and ability to work under pressure and consistently improve at certain tasks. i.e. with the aptitude tests you are given 3 goes at each, the idea being to improve your score with each attempt.

Monarch was right about the Numerical/Maths test. Simple stuff just phrased in an aviation related way. eg Aircraft is descending from 8,000ft at 750ft/min. How long will it take to descend to 5,000ft.?
ANSWER: 8,000ft-5,000ft=3,000ft @ 750ft/min=4 Minutes.

Hope this helps,

Simon.

yeah, did my stage 2 a while ago. looks like things have changed since then!
M330

The CTC guys who recently just finished Mod 2 with me at BGS paint a rather dull picture. Easy Jet are not recruiting these guys at the moment, so this set of 6, plus some others, are being given Type Rating dates towards the end of 2005. They won't start their IR until Feb/March either. They are being offered cabin crew positions at EJ.

They all sounded a bit depressed to me, and stated that CTC had hired far too many for the positions that are available. CTC said they were trying to get other airlines to sign up soon.

Unfortunately, if they want to persue their career out of CTC, they will have to pay £1000 per month for the next 7 years.:ugh:

They are a good bunch of lads, all switched on, and I genuinely feel a bit sorry for their predicament.

Simon_Sez said:

"You don't need to have seen the inside of an aircraft to take and pass these tests. They assess your hand-eye coordination skills, and ability to work under pressure and consistently improve at certain tasks. i.e. with the aptitude tests you are given 3 goes at each, the idea being to improve your score with each attempt"

Does that mean one should do the first attempt as bad as he only could, and just pay attention to the last attempt to show those guys that he learns fast?

Not quite.

Once you're sitting in front of the monitor, it's a slightly different story.
you shold try your best at each attempt. After each attempt, you'll notice different things about the exercise and you'll want to improve on that particular aspect. It's hard to explain fully but you'll see once you get there.

Bottom line: Try your best. Simple.

Simon.

No sponsor - your information is wrong and the parts that resemble the truth are out of date.

CTC cadets are the most fortunate wannabes there are. They are certainly not in any "predicament".

Easyjet were going to stop recruiting for 6 months, they have now reversed this decision and are continuing with 737 training for a little longer. Some delays are still expected, but CTC are dealing with those in another way.

Other airlines are increasing their recruitment of wings cadets and so, those on Easyjet courses that are to be delayed are going to be released to go to other airlines, as long as CTC fill up Easyjets requirements with later cadets.

Bottom line - delays will not occur to any significant extent and everyone is still in a great position. All airlines, including Easyjet are increasing their requirements for cadets. No need to "feel sorry" for anybody. Getting into a top airline, flying jets after 18 months isnt too bad at all!

Also, that £1000 per month - well thats not such a big deal when a) the airline pays it out of non-taxed salary, which saves the cadet thousands, or b) you start a job with First Choice, Britannia, Monarch who all start on about £45k with flight pay included. Bear in mind repayments dont start until employment is gained.

It'll take no sponsored people like yourself years longer to clear your debts, thats if you actually get a job. Thats who I feel sorry for :ugh:

Anyone else going for stage 3 on 17th December?

Highflyer27,

I am merely passing on the statement and sentiments made by the cadets I have been training with in the last few weeks.

I agree they are all in an enviable position once placed as a FO in an airline.

I also work for a living, and will not have any debts once I've finished.

Think you might find the is a bit of a myth as Monarch for sure have just dropped their T's and C's for new joiners - I would say more like 35k as more realistic - not that that is bad but just not the golden ticket dreamed of. As you say though still a nice position to be in.

Info from the inside!!
 

no sponsor,

You are very correct. The cadets at CTC are sat around and have been told 6 months. There was some crap given to them about 2 potential airlines possibly going to take them on but I think this was to keep their spirits up - the same crap was given about 12 months ago about an extra airline signing up with nothing happening in the end. The dole office is now very busy with CTC cadets because of the easyjet delay, with all that interest racking up on the £60k. Not good.


highflyer27,

You sound very much like one of the CTC PR crew who did the presentation at selection. Its not Rod Wren behind that username is it??????
You are wrong. Having spoken to some friends on the inside very recently, there is still no word on whats going on apart from a non-commital post on their internal forum - no phone calls or anything - THEY ARE STILL SAT AT HOME WAITING FOR NEWS! It could be longer than 6 months.
Also, they only have to be in the CTC holding pool for 12 months before CTC can get rid of them with no ties. A bit worrying!!

I've been thinking about applying for the "CTC Wings" scheme for a while. I have 70 hours P1 in Gliders, before i apply would it be advantagous to get an NPPL which I can get for ~10hours. Or would it be better to apply with no Power flying experience.

Good luck too all

Well yes, the last post I wrote was based around that internal post on the forum, which I found out about.

Even if the ezy guys do have to wait, they are still going to enter employment faster than self-sponsored guys, and its still a jet f/o position.

Also bear in mind, since the ATP scheme has been running since 1994, CTC have never failed to place a cadet. Thats 10 years and nobody has left without a job.

The only chance you have at a job with Monarch for example, who's pay is still good (ppjn) is via CTC. Remember, those ab initio cadets going into the ATP pool go straight to the top of the list and can turn down two airlines if they so wish.

A great position, which I want to be in :ok:

I am sitting in that ATP holding pool and have been there for a while now. I do feel confident that I will be placed and the recruitment season for the major charters will be coming up soon, there is everything to look forward to.
It is a little worrying to hear about EZY etc but I am sure they will start there recruitment again soon if not already. I do feel lucky to be in this position even though things are moving quite slowly at the moment.

Might want to talk to some of the CTC guys just taken on to see what they make of it all. Still a B scale compared to all the other pilots in Monarch.


Define ' placed' in these terms - and 'nobody has left without a job' - think that is factually incorrect.

Do you have any examples? Is it just a rumor you heard or do you know someone who's been left without a job after going through CTC?

Don't see where this "B" scale comes from - what do you mean? The pay is the same - what could possibly be "B" scale about it. Maybe some of the other pilots might think it a bit unfair that you are there but thats life!

Its in black and white - the ATP scheme has never failed to place a cadet. Its perfectly true

:D

Highflyer27,

You seem to know a lot about CTC. Are you sure you aren't Rod Wren in disguise? Posting at 3am will make it about 3pm in NZ!

Hi!
Is there anyone who is attending stage 2 on dec 14th????

Does anyone know what to expect? if so can you please help me?
thanx

Danzam

danazam check your pm's.

Anyone stage three on 20th? Will rpobably be mostly the people from stage two on the 14th I suppose, see some of you there hopefully.

Good Luck all.

CB1

I'm also attending Stage 2 soon, but not on the 14th!

I've noticed everyone who's asked for info about Stage 2 has had PMs, so could any very kind person please do the same for me?

Don’t critisize what you don’t understand – Bob Dylan

Sorry if I am breaking a convention by my first post being controversial, but this is not a maiden speech in the House of Commons.

tree_greens, you appear to be somewhat ill-informed and are, as such, misrepresenting the truth; perhaps not deliberately, but the effect is the same. While I am not a spokesperson, I do have access to the Wings cadet forum and I am in NZ; that's the credibility of my information.

CTC did announce additional airlines a few months back; five of them in fact. And hot news is that BA have been added to the list. Currently (I quote from an impeccable source), the airlines are:

Britannia
British Airways
easyJet
First Choice
flyBE
Jet2
Monarch
Thomas Cook

As for the eJ cadets who are waiting for type rating, some have been placed with Britannia and some with BA. They will be replaced by other cadets who have not yet been selected by an airline, so eJ get the original planned numbers.

That’s what I call a result.

tree_greens, as your posts suggest that you applied for the scheme (but were not successful), why do you want to criticise it? Is it your own disappointment?

Good and impressive news for those cadets.

I'll keep a look out for the press releases.

Looking forward to seeing future posts by the two members who registered just to answer my original statement. :hmm:

I have family on the scheme! Thats how I get my info. As far as I know the only new news (as of 1st December!!!) is that Britannia are taking on at least 7 cadets. Not heard a thing about all those other airlines you mentioned, especially not BA! BA have a good supply of INTEGRATED students that they are taking from Oxford & Cabair.

The old CTC sponsorship was rebranded the 'wings' scheme a few months back and from what I can see they have used the old AQC customers as new launch customers for the wings scheme. False advertising from what I can see when BA, First Choice, Flybe & Jet2 haven't taken on any cadets in all these months!!!

Your style of writing makes you sound very much like highflyer27 (I mean Rod Wren). Stop playing us around will ya.

I didn't apply for the CTC scheme as I already have a job!:ok:


easy cadet,

Just read your latest post on the Is CTC the only way forward thread. VERY suspicious. Quite accurate with some of the figures there arent you, and you seem to know a hell of a lot more than the average cadet!!! I smell a rat. RW himself advertising his flying circus?

I take it from your post that it is impossible that anything new could have happened since the 1st December?

BA have just joined in the last 24hrs.

Check with whoever you know on the scheme (mo) before you make posts on this topic.

Why are you so keen to slag it off anyway? Is your family member on the scheme not happy with it? Whats so suspicious about easy cadets other post? - its accurate.

So CTC will be doing every sponsorship deal there is? God it's a f:mad:ing monopoly.

If Mary Brown or Rod Wren don't like you you are fu:mad:d

If FlyBe had joined why would they be working with Cabair and why would Britannia sponsor through Jerez? All of which are happening/happened very recently.

Shi:mad: guys you all better stop self funding and going modular as all of the pilots in europe will soon be getting churned out like sausages from CTC. At least the RAF won't be losing so many. Oh shi:mad: stop press CTC will be doing the RAF's recruitment soon.

That's it then folks if you do not get through CTC you are all worthless and should not bother trying so hard to achieve your dream. It seems that if you don't sing the CTC tune you don't stand a cat in hells chance of ever landing a pilots job, so just give it up. Rod and his friends have sewn that market up sweetly, lock fu:mad: stock. You could always try tube driving 18k-35k 35hr week, 52 days holiday a year. Oh stop press news flash, apparently CTC will be doing the recruitment for that one and you have to sing to their tune and put a bond down for £60,000.

We are all doomed doomed.

scientifics - You are talking utter nonsense.

A case of the Green Eyed Monster perhaps?

Throwing personal insults at 2 very good people, is not called for either.

this thread is keeping me entertained....especially good to read when I get back from a pretty dull day at work..

out the window goes plan B then ;)

its true there's not much in the way of competition for CTC at the moment, anyone know any Crew Training Captains that are going free? Bit of money, an arrangement with HSBC, couple of planes and a contact in an airline and we're sorted....who's up for it?!:D


:hmm:

Considering i'm going for Stage 2 soon this is interesting reading! I'm trying to brush up in preparation - I know the tests are mathmatical and eye/hand coordination, but can anyone tell me anymore than that? Is there anything in particular I can prepare for?

What goes up -

A lot has been written regarding stage 2 on earlier posts. The day consists of a group discussion - try and be yourself and get involved.

Then you will have a short math’s test. Make sure you are up to speed on long division and multiplication, speed/distance/time stuff and basic arithmetic etc

The aptitude tests are looking at your innate skills - very little you can do to prepare unfortunately. I strongly suggest an early night and a good breakfast. When doing the tests try to stay as relaxed as possible, and don't get flustered by others. I personally read all the instructions twice to make sure I knew what I was doing. It certainly helped me, and it you don’t appear be negatively marked for doing so as I passed stage 2, and as I said, I read all instructions twice.

Good luck!

If telling the truth is throwing personal insults then fine. I can not actually see where I have insulted anyone on my last post, I have not called anyone any names. I have my opinion and you have yours, you are wrong though.

I will tell you something else many of you don't know.

You can get hold of the Compass Test and PILAPT if you know the right people and believe me people have who have passed CTC's selection have used it! FACT. This whole illusion that you can't prepare for the tests is utter b*ll*cks. I have consistently been able to improve my score on a friend of a friends PILAPT and Advanced COMPASS test just to see if I could. It's just like playing a computer game the more you practise the better you become at it.

If you want to help yourselves improve your maths then buy the Trachtenberg (Spelling) book of speed mathematics and practise, in less than 1 hour you will be able to do 1548 X 896 in about 20 seconds in your head.

If you want help with other tests there is a book that was brought out to help US airforce pilot wannabees I can't remember the name but you can buy it from amazon.com. Two of the tests in this book have been 'allegedly' pillaged and put straight into the Advanced Compass test ( the one with the headings) and the "an aircraft flies at 800 knots" etc bullshi* questions. I kid you not those questions are identical, the book even shows you how to answer them.

As for the sim check you can pay £100 to ride in exactly the same sim or very similar elsewhere for a few hours. I won't say where but I know people who have, use you initiative if you really want it.

I can't help you with the interview, you are on your own for that one.

You can also buy the sim software for a few pounds, illegally of course. There are so many Malaysian and Chinese websites selling this stuff it's unbeliveable.;)




"This is a Fictitious post as we live in Fictitious times. This post is 100% made up and is false in every sense. This post does not reflect the views of the author"

Tree_greens, you are a conspiracy theorist and pretty wound up. Not everyone on this forum is Rod Wren, and some of us are pretty well informed about what we are doing. There are quite a lot of us living in the Factory who are really quite pleased to be here. Why should we not be free to register on this forum and defend the scheme we are on from inaccurate attacks? Free speech is OK you know. What’s in your pants?

For the record, my source was the Wings cadet forum; I quoted from a post put there yesterday, announcing the above.

Last night it was confirmed at a meeting I attended – try asking your brother.

Just another quick question about stage 2, how long does it last? A couple of hours or until the evening? Lunch arrangements or anything like that?

Not sure whether to book accomodation for 2 nights, many thanks!